Circling the drain

[@meric@nwom@n]

Quadrivel.

[The Hen]

On another BBS we are having a discussion about these topics and why people cannot be trusted to not have moderators. If no one objects, I clipped this thread and posted it over there. Nothing beats a real world example.

I object. I would like a link to that thread please.

Thank you in advance.

[SisterMaryFellatio]

Quad, i have no idea who or what you are - no I take that back - you seem a bit of a cunt actually!

I was not a member of CSB and I can only give my opinion on the posts i have read here and the comments you have made.

I stay away from CSB stuff...I wasn't a member and its none of my business, but you are making these comments here and continually stirring shite so now i feel i can get involved as a member of this board.

FFs from all the comments you have written you seem like a right nob end ....you bait the members here, say how crap this forum is and yet you still continue to post! Hello it dosn't take Einstein to work it out!!

Seriously, are you sharing a brain cell and you havn't worked out who with?

Or is your life that boring and sad that you feel the need to try and get your kicks by stirring it up here?

Fuck Off.... you are not funny or clever and from what I can see not liked either.

How does it feel to be disliked as much as you?

The number of members is quite irrelevant and quite frankly losing a coupla (you are one of them) really would not make any difference to this board. I joined for fun and some light hearted bantering. Members here (apart from you) are funny and articulate. What i am trying to say is there is no point having thousands of members if all they do is talk shit and bitch at one and other.


My advice, fuck off for a very long time and go try to find the person you are sharing that one tiny brain cell with and ask if you can borrow it for a minute or two to try and work it out!

Just so you are quite clear, these are MY opinions drawn from what you have posted on this board.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Ok, so I ask a question about why this place fails to thrive

I have not seen that "fail to thrive" thing you are talking about. I think it is doing as good, if not better than most forums that are not dedicated to "one wing agendas (be them right, left or center)".

and why it appears to be circling the drain as BBS websites go,

Which direction, the "down under" direction or the good ole USA direction?

Then the subset of people that turn away newcomers by the droves, show up and fill yet another thread that will show up FIRST to any prospective newcomers.

And can you list those "droves" of newcomers that were driven away? please do not include cleanups in all the aisles

On another BBS we are having a discussion about these topics and why people cannot be trusted to not have moderators.

I know I can pretty much control myself. I know of a quite a few who can also. Others feel the need to call others out and then the "shit" begins. Moderators only allow the "fun" they agree with (no matter how "impartial" they try to be). I have been a mod on forums and believe me, no matter who you figure to be the "starter" or the "bad guy" you will be hated.
You want moderators, go join where it's moderated, I have no use for them (nor myself when I was one).

I believe the best moderation is done by the members. I called Hen out on her very partial reveal of a PM (email?) and she explained. While I would not do the same, I accept her explanation. At least she "came clean" so to speak. She put it out there and let the chips fall where they may. I admire that and find that honesty is the best policy. I have becoming more honest in my rehab from alcholism and think it is very refreshing.

So, let the place be as it is (my opinion) as I have yet to find any one person or any post or any policy (are there any?) that has a chance in hell of 1) detering anyone from speaking their mind and 2) anyone refusing to join and 3) anyone from being banned (other than spammers which have been pretty blatant about their intent).

Of course anyone and everyone has the right to disagree (or agree) with any of this. Just thanks for the place and the oppurtunity to express it.

ETA to fix quotes

[quaddriver]

to o&w:

The people that I mention, IMO destroyed another website. simply because thier gang of 6 was faced with a gang of 3 (4 if you count me) its all in black and white and they can interpret it anyway they want it to. However, I am letting the courrt of world wide public opinion interpret it.

This place has 73 member. 74 if you include the latest spammer.

It is visited countless times as the page request rate shows, and not by bot. We ran a little 'test' in january of this and the CSB to separate that particular wheat from the chaff.

It appears other well intentioned people come here, take one look and leave. No one wants to inhabit a place where people will gang up to be asses.

I will GLADLY give hen the link as to where we are discussing this. After a few hundred more people check it out.

My actions mean nothign here, just ask the gang of 6. But as for moral victories, its a biggun. So far the BEST thing that has been said about them, is insulting.

Sleep with dogs long enuf O&W, and you will get fleas. There is no 'light hearted banter' here. the gang of 6 is just plain nasty. nasty people, nasty 'humans'. I only posted here cuz some of the 73 are not worldwide asswipes, but they dont seem to care, the only one who demonstrates regular self respect and his lack of activity here speaks for itself.

[The Hen]

Typical.

No guts no backbone.

I expected nothing less from you.

[Lord Jim]

On another BBS we are having a discussion about these topics and why people cannot be trusted to not have moderators. If no one objects, I clipped this thread and posted it over there. Nothing beats a real world example.

I object. I would like a link to that thread please.

Thank you in advance.

Well from that quote, and from others folks have posted from Quad that I've seen in the other thread, it's pretty obvious what's going on here....

Once again, this dim-witted delusional buffoon, with clinical arrested development issues, having been once again shown to not have the slightest idea what he is talking about reacts to that being pointed out with childish vindictiveness...

Absolutely nothing new in that...Quad has a long record of lashing out with impotent viciousness whenever confronted with the irrefutable proof of his lack of knowledge, intelligence, and debate skills....he can't bring himself psychologically to process and confront those facts; this behavior of his is a defense mechanism he has constructed to avoid doing so. (It goes along with his habit of insisting mindlessly that he was right all along, without regard to the mountain of evidence that anyone can see, proving otherwise)

There's no question about it; this routine of his has a certain humor value to it; his stupidity coupled with his obliviousness to his stupidity (what I have referred to as "Clouseau Syndrome") definitely makes him an easy target for anyone interested in practicing their rhetorical smack down skills....

But for me at least, it became too easy, and his act got old. Which is why I no longer read his posts.

Eventually, one becomes uncomfortable beating up on someone who clearly suffers from such a wide range of mental and emotional issues, and who has such poor intellectual tools and rhetorical skills available to defend himself with....

It appears to me from what I've seen quoted and the responses he's engendering that he is now really pushing the envelope in seeing just how toxic and malignant a presence he can make himself and still be tolerated....

A lot of folks have been expressing a desire to see the back of him here, and while I don't read his posts anymore, I'm sure that he's been acting in a way that justifies this sentiment....

Therefore, I would like to propose that as a community, we try an experiment; the ultimate that can be done in "self policing"....

I propose that EVERY POSTER HERE....

Every last one of us....

Do what I have done, and put this destructive attention seeking troll on ignore...and simply not respond to him at all....

Even if a couple of people continue to respond to him, so long as the vast majority don't...especially his targets.. (his targets of course, are the ones who have shown him to be an ignorant ass)

He'll be gone in one week, two tops....

If you're really serious about wanting him to leave, this is the thing to do; put him on ignore, en masse....an exercise in voluntary collective action on the part of the community.

This will also demonstrate to him that what he said in the comment Hen quoted is absolutely false;

That a board can rid itself of a malignant troll presence, without moderation, and without banning.

He'll be living proof of that.

Who's ready to take the pledge?

[Sean]

Well I'll miss the belly-laughs his posts give me Jim but I'm up for that experiment.

[Lord Jim]

Well I'll miss the belly-laughs his posts give me

Oh I well understand that Sean...when I was still reading his stuff, his posts would frequently send me into gasping for breath hysterics....

Sooner or later, probably sometime tomorrow, Quad will return to this thread...

And he will unleash a torrent of nastiness and idiocy deliberately designed to test the the resolve of those who have decided to shun him....he won't believe that folks will have the strength to resist responding....

If he doesn't get a response after the first post, he'll likely try again...and again....

It would be lovely, if after that happens, there wasn't one single more response in this thread.

Or to any other thread he starts....or anything else he says, in any thread, period.

[Sean]

So maybe I could carry on laughing and just not respond...

[Timster]

[Timster]

*Post deleted*

[@meric@nwom@n]

Iam game but you need to include locatroll in the operation iggy she is equally guilty of buffoo ish trollopism.

[quaddriver]

I second LJs proposal.

In your world, it will accomplish what you think needs to happen.

In the real world. you will move on to the next target. And this place will never change. I predict the number of members never grows in any number.

In the meantime, I am being asked for the real-life bios of the attackers. Hope ya dont mind. You might be getting your fame after all! Ciao!

[loCAtek]

AnywayZ the point was: who is anyone to declare the CSB done? Could it be, that's trying to discredit the CSB, to keep people from posting there?

I wish it were, how the hell to we get the state of play through to Pexxa?

That sounds an awful lot like Gob's trying to get pexxa to stop posting at CSB? Then there's the unjustified criticism of anyone who does post at CSB.

All designed to make the old place appear unattractive. On the one hand Hen-pecking that it's just not perfect enough; and they'll only post if Gar obeys one more demand, after one more demand; to praising anyone who posts on Plan B, no matter the same kind of posts are 'stupid' on CSB.

Obviously, it could thrive if Gob delared instead, 'I think we should all make a few contributions.' but alas that independent decision isn't being made much.

As for attention-seeking LOL, this from an exhibitionist who has two webpages dedicated to himself; accompanied by a few photo sites, he insists folks view and who dresses oddly, or not at all in public to stand out. Need I mention the YouPorn?

Nah, CSB has had lots of declarations about it; it's up to anyone to do whatever they want. Support a board by posting there or not; but let that be your choice, not a decree by anyone with illusions of power.

[alice]

Therefore, I would like to propose that as a community, we try an experiment; the ultimate that can be done in "self policing"....

I propose that EVERY POSTER HERE....

Every last one of us....

Do what I have done, and put this destructive attention seeking troll on ignore...and simply not respond to him at all....

Even if a couple of people continue to respond to him, so long as the vast majority don't...especially his targets.. (his targets of course, are the ones who have shown him to be an ignorant ass)

He'll be gone in one week, two tops....

If you're really serious about wanting him to leave, this is the thing to do; put him on ignore, en masse....an exercise in voluntary collective action on the part of the community.

This will also demonstrate to him that what he said in the comment Hen quoted is absolutely false;

That a board can rid itself of a malignant troll presence, without moderation, and without banning.

He'll be living proof of that.

Who's ready to take the pledge?

Not me.

I've never put anyone on ignore, and I never will.

I'm sorry, and it's probably detrimental to me in terms of people's opinion of me on the board here, but I don't join in on this sort of thing - never have done in my history at any of the forums.

If I don't like a poster, that's usually my personal opinion, and mine alone to keep. Most times I don't say anything public, because it usually doesn't really bother me overly much. In all my time across the boards I haven't found many cyber-personalities to have rubbed me up the wrong way enough for me to make public comment.
But if I did choose to make public my negative opinion about someone, that would be my choice, and still my opinion alone.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be 'anti-community', but I am trying to stay 'me'. And I don't 'ride with packs'

I started coming to forums such as these as a sort of late night 'wind down' to give me a bit of entertaining and often educational 'brain food', a few hearty debates, and a bit of relaxing chat time at the end of long and often very busy days. Many years and many other life events later, my primary aim in coming to places like this is still to take my shoes off, relax, wind down, and have a bit of a pleasant chat.
I still don't mind the hearty debates, but don't participate as much because I usually don't have the time to get as involved nowadays. But I still read through them, and have wonderfully crafted responses floating in my head as I either stagger off to bed or, as has happened more than once, fall asleep at the computer.

Because of what I am looking for in a forum, I usually find it easier on my limited time, my stress, and my relaxation overall to not get overly caught up in 'forum politics'. In fact I usually choose just to quietly wander away from a board for a while if the politics gets too much and interferes too much in the hearty debates and relaxing chats. No great loss to the board, because I'm not here a lot anyway for other unrelated reasons, and I'm not really a prolific poster. And I do usually meander back later, so no loss at all, really!!
But in terms of trying to encourage active board participation, there may be many others who quietly wander away when atmosphere starts growing dark and heavy, or the talk of lynchings begins, but who don't come back. And maybe some of them could have been far more valuable contributors than me.

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My one political statement, and it's my personal opinion only: I don't think quaddriver has been a "malignant troll presence". I know there is a lot of antagonism between some people that's left over from CSB, but regardless of that I think quaddriver has contributed to this board. And when the pot was being stirred he wasn't standing there on his own with the only stirring spoon.

Once again, this dim-witted delusional buffoon, with clinical arrested development issues, having been once again shown to not have the slightest idea what he is talking about reacts to that being pointed out with childish vindictiveness...

Absolutely nothing new in that...Quad has a long record of lashing out with impotent viciousness whenever confronted with the irrefutable proof of his lack of knowledge, intelligence, and debate skills....

'Quad' might have "a long record" of doing all that you say, but that history wasn't on this board. And I don't know if it's just because I wasn't so active in all the 'history' from the previous board, so I'm not so tied up in it and not so personally affected by all of this, but at the moment most of the "childish vindictiveness" I've seen has not come from him.

.............
I started writing this a couple of hours ago, and there's been a few responses since... I hope this is still relevant, and the comments are taken in the spirit intended (ie, I'm not trying to get caught in a slanging match - I got too many other things going on in my life. But I like coming here - and CSB - to relax sometimes, and I'd like to keep doing that. I'm promoting peace for my own selfish reasons )

[Sue U]

Just for the record: I agree with everything both oldr and alice said.

[quaddriver]

Sue/alice: your resonableness is acknowledged.

[Sue U]

I am "reasonable" only in that I think everyone should have the right to post what they want, and others can read it or not, and respond or not; we're all supposedly adults here. I can only conclude that those who participate in these "feuds" are obviously getting something out of their participation, otherwise they wouldn't do it. If people want to shit all over each other all the time, that's fine with me. But when it becomes the dominant theme of the majority of active threads, I am less and less inclined to wade through the shit to find any nuggets.

[Rick]

I am "reasonable" only in that I think everyone should have the right to post what they want, and others can read it or not, and respond or not; we're all supposedly adults here. I can only conclude that those who participate in these "feuds" are obviously getting something out of their participation, otherwise they wouldn't do it. If people want to shit all over each other all the time, that's fine with me. But when it becomes the dominant theme of the majority of active threads, I am less and less inclined to wade through the shit to find any nuggets.

I concur...