Enough is enough, should loCAtek be banned permanently?

[The Hen]

I've voted against this on grounds of principle.

As with the other poll on whether Lo should have been banned for a month, I will not be voting in this poll.

Unlike Lo's claims that I wanted her banned (and was behind her banning), Daisy will be able to confirm what I expected from the mediation prior to the suspension. Hint it wasn't a banning or a suspension.

[Guinevere]

Meade, that's the same I've been saying until I'm blue in the face - its a two way street and there is responsibility on all sides. So no, no banning.

That being said: Loca, cut the shit. You're being disingenuous at best, and disruptive and petulant at best. Take your medicine like and adult and start again or live with the consequences of your actions.

Everyone else: stop with the vile names, rude pictures and sarcastic comments almost every time Loca posts, it's not helping.

Daisy, could you please post the Terms of Service we all agreed to when we signed on to the forum here and in the Rules threads. Thanks much.

[The Hen]

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[Gob]

Everyone else: stop with the vile names, rude pictures and sarcastic comments almost every time Loca posts, it's not helping.

With respect;


Point one. There are not " vile names, rude pictures and sarcastic comments almost every time Loca posts", in fact people have tolerated her shit WAY beyond what should be expected of everyone.

Point Two. Take your own advice and ignore what we are posting if you do not like it.

Point three. As I pointed out to you the last time you departed, you are very good at telling everyone esle how they should conduct themselves, but the first to fuck off when it gets directed at you.

[Guinevere]

1. I'm speaking about since Loca has returned -- look at the postings from the last few days -- and i'm not the only one who commented on it but the only one getting shit flung at them for daring to mention it. Want to count the number of troll pictures out there?

2. You're suggesting that in a board-wide discussion about board policy, members who have differing views from the majority should not or are not allowed to post their opinions? If that's the way this board is going then I made a mistake returning.

3. I've always stood up for myself, but I can do it without calling people names and posting ridiculous images. I've also ignored plenty of it. Can you say the same?

[The Hen]

I fail to see where he has suggested that differing opinions are not allowed to be posted.

[Guinevere]

Point Two. Take your own advice and ignore what we are posting if you do not like it.
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[Gob]

1. I'm speaking about since Loca has returned -- look at the postings from the last few days -- and i'm not the only one who commented on it but the only one getting shit flung at them for daring to mention it. Want to count the number of troll pictures out there?

Lo started the shit flinging as soon as she returned. See the unwarranted and uncalled for attack on Daisy etc.

The troll pictures are a shorthand way of expressing what is thought of Lo by one poster.

2. You're suggesting that in a board-wide discussion about board policy, members who have differing views from the majority should not or are not allowed to post their opinions? If that's the way this board is going then I made a mistake returning.

Not at all, I'm responding to what you had posted and YOU are the one who suggested ignoring, so why don't YOU do it?

3. I've always stood up for myself, but I can do it without calling people names and posting ridiculous images. I've also ignored plenty of it. Can you say the same?

Nope I would never claim that. Lo is a stupid cunt who wants to destoy what we have here, I say it as I see fit.

[Guinevere]

Again, you're telling me, as someone who does not agree with you, to ignore this discussion. So much for actually wanting the opinion of the board --- you only want the opinion of those who agree with you.

[Gob]

You said we should ignore what others post, I'm asking you to ignore what you do not like.

I cannot put it any plainer than that.

[Guinevere]

I have ignored it -- do you see me commenting on this issue any where else? But this thread is about board policy and as a member of this board I will not refrain from discussing board-wide issues, whether you agree with me or not.

You're being completely disingenuous, and you know it. Stop playing games.

[The Hen]

So your point in the discussion on board policy is that we should ignore Lo?

[Guinevere]

No Hen, re-read what I wrote ----- which is pretty much what Meade wrote and what I've said before ---- if you want this board to be better then everyone must behave better. I didn't use the word ignore until my third post in this string -- that's your husband's word.

[Crackpot]

I would sugest ignoring the vast majority of Lo's posts as they are merely annoying and shouldn't be too hard to do so. After all by not doing so you're just giving her what she wants. the result will be one of two things: she'll learn he lesson or she'll escalate to a point to a ban is justified.

at this point you all are throwing logs on the fire while complaining it's to hot.

[Gob]

I have ignored it -- do you see me commenting on this issue any where else? But this thread is about board policy and as a member of this board I will not refrain from discussing board-wide issues, whether you agree with me or not.

You're being completely disingenuous, and you know it. Stop playing games.

No I'm not. I'm sorry you find it hard to understand.

You say that we should; "stop with the vile names, rude pictures and sarcastic comments almost every time Loca posts, it's not helping," and I've pointed out to you that;

a) there has not been "vile names, rude pictures and sarcastic comments almost every time Loca posts", only when she has got into her destroy the board routine, lying, spamming and creating shit to get herself attention.

b) Members here can reply to Lo however they see fit.

c) If you do not like the way Lo is responded to, then ignore the responses.

Do I need to remind you of all the times you've told us about the; "ignore feature between your ears?" All I'm asking then is that if you find the responses of those of us who have had a gutsful of Lo and her self destructive posting on this forum, then use that ability and please ignore our posts, and these threads.

[Gob]

at this point you all are throwing logs on the fire while complaining it's to hot.

I agree, with both you (and Guin to a point,) but can you understand the frustration of us who have placed hope in this forum, after the CSB debacle, just to see Lo doing her damnedest to shit all over it?

Wasn't it far more pleasant when she wasn't about?

Ok, I'll not put Lo back on ignore, but I'll make efforts not to respond to her, others can do as they see fit. But if she carries on the way she is, I'll be strenuously pushing for a ban.

[Crackpot]

In the end I don't want to give her anything to feed the delusion that this was something done to her rather than something she did to herself.

[Lord Jim]

I will try politeness. Loca, please stop posting comments about "editing" and about "rules". Thank you.

Meade

Good luck with that one General...Many before have tried and failed....

First I want to say that this two way street business is an annoying strawman, implying as it does some sort of moral equivalence between the attacker and the one responding in defense....I've never bought that, and never will...

I also think that while the ignore feature can have beneficial uses, there are certainly situations where a person's behavior can become so excessive and widespread that it is unreasonable to expect the targets to completely ignore it....

(I've also noticed over the years that some of those who have been the most outspoken about "ignoring" comments they find bothersome have in practice been among those who seemed to have the greatest difficulty doing it themselves...the fact that several of those are no longer with us, pretty much proves my point...)

All of that having been said, I am not prepared, at least at this point, to vote for a permanent banning in this case....(though I have not yet voted against it, I suspect I will soon...and I hope that the poll, on a matter of this gravity, will allow for folks to change their vote based on the discussion)

It would take an awful lot to get me to vote for something like that, and while I find the trolling about this "rules" strawman irritating, and even disgusting, (as the intent clearly appears to be to disrupt for disruption's sake) for me she has not yet met that threshold....

Since what she is doing now is really "different" from what she did that brought on the original suspension, (in that case it was obsessive targeting and harassment of individuals...in this case it's more a broader disruption kind of assault, but not in a personalized way...except for a couple of posts) my initial reaction is that it should be treated as new offense, rather than a continuation of the old one....

Not that what she's doing is in any way acceptable, and there's no question but that if it goes on the effect is poisonous....

I would probably at this point, support an additional one month suspension, (or perhaps even two, as a sort of progressive discipline) but I'm not ready to jump all the way to a permanent banning at this point.

[Guinevere]

at this point you all are throwing logs on the fire while complaining it's to hot.

I agree, with both you (and Guin to a point,) but can you understand the frustration of us who have placed hope in this forum, after the CSB debacle, just to see Lo doing her damnedest to shit all over it?

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Ok, I'll not put Lo back on ignore, but I'll make efforts not to respond to her, others can do as they see fit. But if she carries on the way she is, I'll be strenuously pushing for a ban.

Yes, I understand the frustration, we're all human, we all get frustrated. As I see it, the character of the board is in the hands of those who post here -- to misquote Gandhi: "Be the change you want to see in the board." I think you are capable of being that change, I think we're all capable of being that change. Isn't that what got us here in the first place?

[Scooter]

In the end I don't want to give her anything to feed the delusion that this was something done to her rather than something she did to herself.

I am far past caring whether she believes she is being treated fairly.* She will spin it in her own mind in whatever way she chooses regardless, as she has clearly demonstrated over and over again.




*note well, I did NOT say she should not be treated fairly, only that I do not care whether or not it is seen by her to be so, because she is no longer (if she ever was) operating out of any framework that could be called reason.