IS it wrong to ask what happened to CSB?

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Re: IS it wrong to ask what happened to CSB?

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I said here a couple of days ago that I was going to take Gar up on his request for emails, but I've changed my mind about that, after seeing the stuff he's been posting...

It would be a complete waste of time....

Why do I need to have him tell me personally what I can already see from what he's posted publicly? That he's swallowed Gwen's position hook line and sinker, and that the problems lie everywhere except with Gwen?

I looked at the thread that he started where he said he was going to answer Joe Guy's questions...In the hope that he might, you know, answer Joe Guy's questions....

Instead what I read was just another unquestioning defense of Gwen, and a regurgitation of the exact same positions Gwen has spouted for months... :roll:
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Well he at least seem to be welcoming of my suggestions. I copied my penultimate post over there.
I suspect he's been reading this thread too...(he sort of hinted at that) but nothing seems to make any impression.

It's as though he has returned to finish the task that Gwen began....

To drive everyone who isn't on the "buddy list" with her, Steve and editec off the board. (Not just just a little ways off mind you, but all the way off.)
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loCAtek wrote:

Guin was not the first, nor will she be the last. But that request, following demands for 'shut the board down!'* and 'kill Gar' have him feeling sensitive to anything perceived as a threat.
Again, I counsel patience.



*If he had gone with how he felt, there currently there wouldn't be any CSB.
OK Lo.

Shut the Board down shite comes from Quad. So, nothing to consider there.

But, Kill Gar? You are sounding like Steve there girlfriend. No-one is wanting the G-Man to be killed.
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Have you been reading Steve's posts to Gar? It's plain that he's not a fan.
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Granted I've only been reading a few threads over there but it seems people are reading alot into what Gar has posted. Remember people have been chucking plague infested rats into that particular well for years now and I doubt Gar is familiar with more than a few of them.
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I'm quite sure, Loca, that I'm no "threat" to Gar. And characterizing my request as a "demand" is a bit of a stretch.

Look, I'm sure he is completely overwhelmed and doesn't know which foxhole is safe. I'd give him some time to figure it all out. After all, he's been gone for a while and many of us have been battling these issues on a regular basis for years. That he is back and doing something is what people asked for, right?
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The Hen wrote:
loCAtek wrote:


OK Lo.

Shut the Board down shite comes from Quad. So, nothing to consider there.

But, Kill Gar? You are sounding like Steve there girlfriend. No-one is wanting the G-Man to be killed.
That's exactly whom I was quoting LOL. I think he said to the effect that those who wanted to 'kill Gwen' would want to 'kill Gar'.

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Guinevere wrote:I'm quite sure, Loca, that I'm no "threat" to Gar. And characterizing my request as a "demand" is a bit of a stretch.
As stated, it could have been perceived that way after receiving many unpleasant [re: trollish]comments, also putting more work to do on plate might be seen as a demand. If folks had been civil and patient with him prior, his response might have been different.
Guinevere wrote: I'd give him some time to figure it all out.

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I notice Edi is back being Mr Reasonable and doing his "who me?" routine.

I'm deregistering.

Fuck it....

The only salvation I saw for the place would have been some recognition of the Triumvirate and how they had assumed they could lie, cheat, and post without consequence while turning the CSB into what THEY wanted from it, (basically a place to discuss Edi's views on politics) They wanted to celebrate the guidance of Edi, the spamming idiocy of Steve, and the power of Gwen.

I understand Gar may owe a debt of gratitude to Gwen for keeping the board going after he chose to sod off, but if that also means turning a blind eye to her part in the way the board ended up, then on his head be it.
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I don't see where exactly he's been turning a blind eye to Gwen. Someone care to link me?
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Guinevere wrote: Look, I'm sure he is completely overwhelmed and doesn't know which foxhole is safe. I'd give him some time to figure it all out. After all, he's been gone for a while and many of us have been battling these issues on a regular basis for years. That he is back and doing something is what people asked for, right?
The funny thing is, he took three weeks to catch up reading all of the threads (according to him).

If he can't figure it out from reading what has occurred, then he never will. I doubt there is any reason for personal contact with him, but Gob is still happy to talk.

(I'll be in contact with phone details and to arrange a time G-Man.)
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Crackpot wrote:I don't see where exactly he's been turning a blind eye to Gwen. Someone care to link me?
Try the "What's in the Kitty" thread C-P.

His first posts in that were to reassure us that all was well financially with the CSB. I replied to him that the thread wasn't about the financial state of the CSB, but to highlight that the admin, Gwen, refused to answer certain people. I linked to three other threads where she had totally ignored the same question from me.

(I was her best buddy in getting replies, compared to how she treated Hen)

Gar's come back? All is financially ok with the CSB...

In other words a point blank refusal to see where Gwen was complicit in the decline of the CSB.
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You're making an assumption there Gob. Given the past I can somewhat understand it but it is an assumption. This type of issue is exactly why I think it is time to name names. To much shit has happened for anyone to be able to trust that those responsible have had their "talking to".

It could get interesting if he does implement the "Grievance Forum".
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Well I've spelled out my reason for the thread, twice, in that one now.

And deregistered.

I think I've made my point. :D
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I don't see where exactly he's been turning a blind eye to Gwen. Someone care to link me?
Well basically everything he's posted since he came back would fall into that category CP...

A better question would be if someone can provide a link to where Gar has indicated that he understands' the central role that Gwen and her behavior and decisions have played in bringing the CSB to where it is today...

If' he's posted anything like that, I sure haven't seen it...

And if he want's "everyone" to take responsibility for contributing to the situation, he might start with a person who has never apologized for anything they have said or done, never admitted the slightest personal culpability, never conceded that their behavior has in any way shape or form been anything other than exemplary....

He won't have far to look if he chooses to confront this person....

It's the one who's counsel he seems to be taking without question....

Every day, Gar seems to add more posts that indicate that my assessment nearly two weeks ago was correct; that he feels so indebted to Gwen, that he is simply unable or unwilling to evaluate her conduct in a rational, objective way.

He asked for feedback, and now he appears to be exasperated and angry at the fact that so much of it consists of criticism of Gwen....

Has he stopped to ask himself why this is the case? Does he think that one morning a bunch of people all woke up and decided out of the blue that they'd start ragging on Gwen?

Has he considered the possibility that maybe...just maybe...that this was a gradual process, and that many folks came to hold her in a negatively light reluctantly, and over a long period of time....

Primarily because of her own actions?

Has he considered the possibility that attempting to revitalize that forum relying primarily on the counsel of a person who has so clearly lost the confidence of such a large number of members is pretty much doomed from the get go?

It's would be like trying to re-organize the financial system, and picking Bernie Madoff as the person you were going to rely on primarily for advice on how to do it..... :roll:
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As I said he has been "not naming names" and as I have posted that is a major part of the problem. He has talked about PMing, emailing, etc. etc. many members and they not seeing themselves as any part of the problem so unless they are members here and have not said anything about it (which I doubt since just everyone here at some point or another has admitted so much before and I don't see that as having changed) pretty much leaves the triumvirate and given Steve's general disdain for Gar leads me to believe that it is they.

Which leads me back to my naming names point and the circle continues.

But I'll say it once again just so you all don't miss it again. At this point So much damage has been done that anything short of naming names will not cut it.
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really am I talking to myself here?
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Ok I've just realized that this is the second day in a row I've missed my meds so I am taking this shit a hell of alot more personally than I should be.
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At this point So much damage has been done that anything short of naming names will not cut it.
I agree. And then let's see what names he names....

I saw one post where Gar talks about some people seeing Steve editec and Gwen as the problem and then he goes on to say that he's sure they feel the same way about others, so there are "two groups" of posters that don't seem to like each other...

Well, it's nice that he's trying to be so diplomatic, but an "even handed" approach to what is not really an "even handed" problem, is not truly "even handed"....

That analysis ignores two important facts....

1. That these "two groups" consist of Gwen, Steve and editec, (and I guess Quad and Kiko) on the one hand....

And at this point, almost everyone else on the other....

2.That one of the people in the very small group, has had exclusive control of "the keys to the kingdom" for the last several years, and as such should have been playing the role of honest broker as Admin....

And if she had been doing so, this "two group" situation would most likely not even exist....(Or at the very least, she would not be a part of it.)
I am taking this shit a hell of alot more personally than I should be.
That's what led me to stop posting over there, CP...

BTW, I've been thinking about breaking my self imposed prohibition against posting at the CSB until and unless the fundamental problem is addressed, just so I can change my sig line over there to:

"I have always said that this is "your" board, I am merely the benign caretaker."- Garaelb, 4/30/2010

I thought the "Moderators" thread might be a good place to do that....
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Well one thing is clear....

From her latest suck up post, Gwen is certainly under the impression that she and Gar are singing from the same hymnal, and wants everyone to know it:
Quote from: Garaelb on June 22, 2010, 08:09:28 AM
I do not speak for Gwen

You may as regards things CSB.

We've always been pretty much on the same page, anyway.

Thank you for the courtesy, though. : )
http://www.cybersoapbox.com/SMF/index.p ... #msg532703

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