CSB Reboot

[Lord Jim]

I think oldr got there before you Jim).

BTW, you got that one wrong too...

"oldr_n_wsr" registered at the CSB on February 23rd, 2007.

http://www.cybersoapbox.com/SMF/index.p ... file;u=820

[Crackpot]

While it is true that everyone shares blame it isn't true that everyone shares the same amount of blame. this is evidence by the multitude of times truces had been offered vs the times that they were declined ignored or just plain forgotten about by the same players over and over again.

[oldr_n_wsr]

LordJim is right, I joined CSB Feb of 2007. I believe LordJim was taking break at the time (and returned around June of 2007 IIRC) so it may have seemed that I was there before him. at least in that time frame I've been registered at the DAF since around June 2001 and at the EP probably when that site got up and running. I don't remember any of you guys at the DAF, when did you guys leave there?

And I can appreciate taking these boards seriously as you have a vested interest in them. I used to take some forums seriously and put time and effort into keeping them running and lively, sadly those two went bye bye (maybe it's me)

I post to break up the day. I do a lot of FPGA design and anyone who has done it can tell you it's 20% design and 80% simulation. And simulations can take anywhere from 10 seconds to hours. So while I simulate I check in. I hardly ever post from home as I usually don't go on the computer at home preffering to work in my woodshop.

[Crackpot]

Glad to Know I'm so memorable

[tyro]

I'm not going to re-argue this with you, (as I found you to be exasperatingly obtuse on this issue the last time we went through it...you know as well as I do that the unlimited feature was in place for at least five years with no complaints, Gwen never did a damn thing about it, and she sure as hell never gave a damn about "the wishes of the owner". You also know that the underlying point went far beyond the editing time limit itself; a fact which for some reason in our previous exchange about this, you kept missing or ignoring. Another round of that would be pointless.)

Speaking of pointless.


You always miss the point when it suits you. Fact is Gar set the edit time to a maximum of 30 minutes. Ergo, that is what he wanted and stood up for.

Lord (and not you Jim) only knows why it was altered, but that change did not represent the wishes of Garaelb.

So then, when Gwen put it back on, it clearly represented a repair, something to right what went astray.

Since Garaelb returned to the helm, did he open the edit time?

It really is that simply.

It doesn’t matter one whit that the edit time had somehow been left open. Brace yourself for this – it doesn’t even matter that you wanted it left open.

And I never said that this issue was the only cause. Those who can and do read may have noted that I did state in my previous post that Gwen did make mistakes and successfully alienated the majority of us.

Speaking of obtuse.

[Lord Jim]

You also know that the underlying point went far beyond the editing time limit itself; a fact which for some reason in our previous exchange about this, you kept missing or ignoring.

Once again, you demonstrate this in spades:

You always miss the point when it suits you. Fact is Gar set the edit time to a maximum of 30 minutes. Ergo, that is what he wanted and stood up for.

Lord (and not you Jim) only knows why it was altered, but that change did not represent the wishes of Garaelb.

So then, when Gwen put it back on, it clearly represented a repair, something to right what went astray.

Since Garaelb returned to the helm, did he open the edit time?

It really is that simply.

It doesn’t matter one whit that the edit time had somehow been left open. Brace yourself for this – it doesn’t even matter that you wanted it left open.

You just don't get it and you never will.

So then, when Gwen put it back on, it clearly represented a repair, something to right what went astray.

Given the factual context of when she did it, and why she did it, that claim represents revisionism of the rankest sort. Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence of anyone participating on the board at the time.

Since Garaelb returned to the helm, did he open the edit time?

He was certainly more willing to compromise on that than Her Royal Highness, but again that's quite beside the point.

It doesn’t matter one whit that the edit time had somehow been left open. Brace yourself for this – it doesn’t even matter that you wanted it left open.

A total strawman. The main point, (as you well know, but keep ignoring) was that she arbitrarily over-ruled the expressed over-whelming sentiment of the majority of the participants on the board, (really, trying to pretend that it was merely about what " I" wanted is similarly insulting to the intelligence of anyone who was there, not to mention the views of all the folks who opposed her dictat) in order to establish the principle that she was the boss, and she would do whatever she wanted, and anyone who didn't like it could go fuck themselves.

She, as the non-owner of the site, who was merely a steward and caretaker for the community had absolutely no right to do this. It wouldn't have mattered what the issue was; it was this principle that she had trampled.

Weirdly, no matter how many times we have gone over this, for some reason you always persist in ignoring this central point.

Which is what makes discussing this with you utterly useless...If you keep ignoring the main point, and insist on only talking about the surface issue, what's the point?

As I said, it's abundantly clear at this juncture that you will simply never "get it".

[Joe Guy]

So then, when Gwen put it back on, it clearly represented a repair, something to right what went astray.

tyro,

I agree with a lot of what you say most of the time.

But Gwen's reinstating the editing time limit in spite of the overwhelming majority voicing our opinion against it, had absolutely nothing to do with "a repair."

She was only doing what her two friends were urging her to do in order to exercise her "authority" and to get in a good jab at those of us who were complaining at the time about her not listening to us when we voiced our opinions on how she completely avoided our thoughts and opinions about anything to do with the BBS .

That should be quite obvious to anyone who was there at the time.

[BoSoxGal]

I'm so glad all that nastiness is behind us.

Some of us will just have to agree to disagree about the details, methinks - but it seems best to leave it over there where it belongs. No?

This place is nice, friendly, easygoing. Let's keep it that way.

[Gob]

What she said.

[tyro]

Some of us were more there than others.

Some of us are more here then others.

Some of us were too there than others.

Some of us are too here than others.

Facts and civility should be a constant.

And so I bid one and all the best of the impending season and the inevitable new-year.

May your God be with you and your glass never be empty.

[Lord Jim]

[dales]

What she said.

What he said except for the ever-present cricket thread.

[Rick]

I wish Gar all the luck in his new venture.

He's gonna need it...

[oldr_n_wsr]

I tried to join the CSB reboot. I hit "Join" and it goes to laod and then just stops. No "join" page, not nothing. Maybe because my IE is old (6.0). I'll have to upgrade and try again.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Ok, I am registered, but is it me or is that place especially slow? I log in and click on "profile" and it's trying to get me there then it just stops. (I have upgraded to IE 8.0)

[Lord Jim]

Oldr, the site is moving especially slowly today....

I've been timed out several times just trying to post a couple of follow ups...

I doesn't generally load as fast as this one, but it's not usually anywhere near as bad as today.

[Lord Jim]

Now it seems to have completely frozen up...

I've been trying to get a post listed for 15 minutes.

ETA:

I just tried to access the main page on another computer and it's timing out...

Obviously Gar is having some server issues.

[oldr_n_wsr]

It's faster now however, when I log in (and it says I am logged in) when I try and open a forum (General) it tells me:
Access denied. You must have special permissions to access this area or you are not logged in.

Definately a turn off to anyone trying to register/access/help make a community.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Also a problem is that whenever you do something (contact admin, update profile, etc) it returns you to the same screen (with with whatever you filled out) with a little blurb at the top saying it has been accepted. Better to get rid of that screen you just filled out and only return with the message it has been accepted. Any other place I have registered at just return "accepted" anddon't show you what you just filled out. People like me don't always read the screen and think it hasn't been accepted so try try again.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Ok, I'm finally in. Not really keen on the navigation of the site, but he's trying to make it more than just a forum so I suppose it's part of the whole package. I don't really like the troll cartoons either, seems a bit childish for something that "I suppose" is more adult. But I have no idea what his target audience is so maybe that's part of it's appeal.

Musch easier manuvering here. Thanks Gob and Hen.

Don't know how much time I will be spending over at the reboot. Time will tell.