Cliques?

[Rick]

Andrew?

Sorry don't remember those...

[Lord Jim]

Yes he did do that.

He apologized for it some years ago, and I accepted his apology.

[Jarlaxle]

I cannot fathom how you could do that...some things simply cannot be forgiven, that tops my list!

[Joe Guy]

I appreciate the fact that he apologized to LJ for what he wrote.

He did the right thing after doing a very wrong thing. Though I can't understand why anyone would believe that it's okay to make such a serious allegation solely for the purpose of trying to make someone look bad, an apology is much better than doing nothing at all.

[Rick]

Scooter threatened to come down here with some of his friends and rape my wife.

Should I still be mad at him.

I haven't lost any sleep over it my wife is no worse off and I'm just as sure Scoot never lost any sleep wondering when I would show up in a preemptive strike.

Make no mistake Andrew and I do not see eye to eye on a great number of things but our disagreement is just that, and it amounts to nothing special.

The earth is still spinnin.

I have noticed through the years that sometimes things are taken out of context even by the most intelligent of people, life goes on.

[Lord Jim]

I accepted his apology because some time had passed since he had made the vile accusation, and I came to believe that at the time he made it he was having some sort of chemical imbalance mental issues....(much like he obviously has been since last summer....)

I'd had previous experience in dealing with people who suffer from mental illness who said all manner of vile things when they were out of it, but who were really decent people; I viewed it through the prism of that experience.

[BoSoxGal]

I can't believe Oz is whinging about not being in 'the' clique - his little cheerleaders leapt to his defense last summer after his attacks on @w, eventually causing her to depart this place permanently.

As I've said since his despicable meltdown last summer, when he attacked me, @w, LJ all in vile ways, making outrageous unsubstantiated personal accusations - whatever intelligence the man has to offer is entirely overshadowed by his raging narcissism. I have no sympathy for him, because if it is mental illness, he has the resources to get treatment and chooses instead to subject this place to his rages.

I'm almost equally disgusted by the cheerleaders who persist in leaping to his defense, and pretending that his behavior is no worse than anybody else's here.

I'm with @w; I won't leave permanently, but I have no desire to be here when he's on one of his manic posting sprees, shitting all over the board.

I will see you all again when he's either got another assignment to keep him busy, or under the covers in a profound depression.

[Scooter]

Scooter threatened to come down here with some of his friends and rape my wife.

Let's be very clear, that that is NOT the way it was stated. There was a thread about a woman who had been the object of some unwanted physical attention, and I said something to the effect of "what if I said I was going to come with a few of my friends and rape your wife, would she have reason to feel threatened?"

I know you would not have had reason to take it seriously either way, but the intended meaning was very different.

[Rick]

Thanks for the response Scoot.

See things could have been drawn all out of proportion.

I side with Sue's observation concerning some of this stuff but as she did I'm gonna close it...

[Lord Jim]

if it is mental illness, he has the resources to get treatment and chooses instead to subject this place to his rages.

That's a very valid point.

And every time since last summer, when he has been away for some period of time, I have held out the hope that he had finally gotten the help he clearly needs...

And every time he has picked up right where he left off, and then proceeded to get nothing but worse....

[Rick]

I'm almost equally disgusted by the cheerleaders who persist in leaping to his defense, and pretending that his behavior is no worse than anybody else's here.

I don't dislike someone you dislike so I'm a cheerleader?

Thus the title of this thread?

[Andrew D]

Indeed.

Thus the title of this thread.

I notice that none of Little Jimmy's cheerleaders has had anything to say about the fact that in the thread about prosecutors, he lied about what I posted.

His lies don't matter. He's "in".

[Joe Guy]

Hello...

Is there anybody in there?

[Andrew D]

I thought it a good thing when bigskygal decided to become a prosecutor. And, as she has disclosed, I told her so.

I hoped and believed that she would bring to the prosecutor's office some of the ethical grounding which I thought she had developed as a defense attorney. Lamentably, that is not what occurred.

Instead, as another poster put it, she "gained a different perspective after moving to the other side of the aisle". Defense attorneys, of whom she had recently been one, virtually overnight became:

FUCKING LYING SCUMBAG NO-GOOD PERJURY-SUBORNING BACKSTABBING GAMEPLAYING GREEDY MOTHERFUCKING DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE CLIENTS' BEST INTERESTS ROBBING THEM OR THE TAXPAYER BLIND:

DEFENSE ATTORNEYS !!!!!

She, not I, posted it.

So, did she change her "ethics"?

[Andrew D]

Please notice the complete lack of outrage at bigskygal's describing "defense attorneys" as "perjury-suborning".

As has been accurately observed, I posted

Not that it "happens most of the time," but that most prosecutors would do it if required to get the conviction.

And torrents of outrage flew.

But bigskygal described defense attorneys as "perjury-suborning" -- a phrasing stating not merely that they would, but that they actually do -- and no outrage ensued.

She must be "in".

[Andrew D]

... after his attacks on @w, eventually causing her to depart this place permanently.

Those interested in facts may recall some:

I revealed Scooter's surname.

I should not have done so.

I apologized.

Scooter accepted my apology.

@meric@n wom@n chose to involve herself in a dispute which had nothing to do with her.

Even after the dispute was resolved by my apology and Scooter's acceptance of it, @meric@n wom@n chose not to let the matter drop.

She chose instead to involve members of my family who had never posted here and had had absolutely nothing to do with the dispute in which @meric@n wom@n was officiously intermeddling.

She chose to be a vicious little cunt, and she got outcunted.

So she left.

Facts. Aren't they a bitch?

[Gob]

Three post nutbag!

[BoSoxGal]

No, my ethics did not change one single bit.

I simply had not been dealing closely with many other defense attorneys whilst I was one myself; I dealt primarily with my clients and the various prosecutors and judges with whom I had cases.

After I became a prosecutor - as scrupulously ethical as I've been since I picked up my first law textbook - I got firsthand experience of the handful of truly despicable, dishonest defense attorneys who populate my community. Among many more who are honest, ethical, and with whom I break bread and drink beer on a regular basis. They've also elected me president of the local Bar two years running.

The quote you posted was from a rant thread that someone (rubato?) started for us to RANT on various topics. I posted that on a particularly bad day when I'd grown weary after several incidents in a row of lies from members of the defense bar.

Those persons remained nameless, while you took it upon yourself to embark on slurring me, a specific individual whose identity, thanks to Steve, is known by most on the board. You accused me, specifically, of incompetence in my representation of defense clients, and of railroading people into jail/prison as a prosecutor.

I don't care how smart you are or what other talents you have; you are entirely undeserving of respect from me absent a true, sincere apology for those allegations and the repeated attacks of type you've made on subsequent visits since.

Don't worry; I won't hold my breath.

[BoSoxGal]

I'll give you this much: there isn't anybody on this board or the old CSB who you couldn't 'outcunt.'

You are the biggest CUNT of them all.

Good for you; it's important to be the best at one thing in this life.

[Andrew D]

Three post nutbag!

Would you prefer lengthy postings carefully demarcated?

Like the analysis of the Yoo/Bybee memos -- the analysis that sent Little Jimmy crying "Victory!" while running off in defeat?