On Mentoring Here

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Methuselah
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On Mentoring Here

Post by Methuselah »

This shows an edited post by another member with my comments inserted in it. It was a well-intentioned post from someone who will remain anonymous. I’m grateful for her/his effort, but it didn’t really solve my problems.
“I and literally everyone else here have already suggested what you should do. If you want to start or participate in a conversation, then do so; all here are welcome to express their views and solicit those of others, and then argue about it (if that's what you want to do). But you don't need to start a dozen threads explaining how the board works.”
That was a mistake on my part. I copied FAQ Extensions somewhere else recently, then deleted them. My intent was to post things helpful to Newbies like pointing to the FAQ. Expecting the rest of you to make corrections was another mistake of mine.
What was left after I pulled the FAQ extensions was Scooter’s War and Peace extract, putting many posts under my head post. I suggest someone who controls rules and conventions to enter another one. YOU MAY POST MANY POSTS UNDER YOUR HEAD POST. IF YOU DROP THEM UNDER SOMEONE ELSE’S HEAD POST AND IT DISTURBS THE AUTHOR’S INTENT TO EXPECT OTHERS TO DISCUSS HIS TOPIC. DROPPING IN WAR AND PEACE LOOKS MALICIOUS. BE A MAN AND PUT YOUR NAME ON THE HEAD POST.
“We all know how it works, and to the extent we don't, we just ask.”
Whom do you ask? When I did so the Fight Club (FC) jumped on me. I am an authority on how Newbies should expect abuse. Some of the comments I saw conflicted with other comments. I didn’t know how to extract the wheat from the chaff.
"How do I use the 'friend-or-foe' function?" "How do I know if I have PMs?" "How can I post pictures?" "How do I quote previous posts?" "How can I make a link?"”
Trial and errors take a long time. The ideal solution would be having you on another terminal next to me, with face-to-face verbal contact. I’ve never found a good alternate here. Asking questions in posts is a high-labor task, and inefficient, leading to FC abuse. Maybe we should ask for volunteers to provide telephone Customer Service for users. Another stupid suggestion, although I suspect some of that has gone on here for a long time. Incidentally, I must be the first Newbie here for some time. I don’t remember how I found the URL, but if I hadn’t known someone else’s username and real name I never could have gotten past the gates that control this palace. The usual model for sites like this is the neighborhood bar. This place is more like an impenetrable castle filled by a cult who think that today’s things and people are good enough and suggesting otherwise is unwanted and dangerous. Incidentally, Foe Blocks are the first thing a Newbie should learn to use.
“Or you can just fool around with the board buttons and settings on your own and figure it out; it's not rocket surgery.”
It is for Newbies. Unless they have a mentor who let them in and is willing to provide free Customer Service. There are lots of other things for Newbies to do than a fooling around session, that requires less labor.

“Also, one of the conventions here is we don't use anyone's IRL name or other identifying info except to the extent it's already been revealed here by the poster him/herself. Many of us are also friends on other social media or even IRL, but many of us also want to retain some level of anonymity, so it's considered an important courtesy not to bring any of that personal info to this board.”
This is a topic I’d like to have a thread on, but I’m running out of time. The guy I mentioned has his name all over the Internet. That lady r-something is even more famous. Disclosing their full names here is a long way from privacy issues.

“If you want to encourage new posters from other sites to join here, that's great, no one is against that and most of us would actively encourage it. “
My experience is I got hit around the head and shoulders by the FC when brought up the subject. I was breaking Norms or whatever. I can’t in good faith suggest that potential Newbies try to come here. I’ll watch how the next Newbie fares.
“To the extent that any "new" posters are former Car Talkers or from Smitty's Le Chat House, none of them would be considered "newbies" or somehow outside of the Plan B group; all would be considered already friends, or at least friends of friends. It doesn't even have to be a complicated process: anyone who wants in can just email Gob, or you can provide their info to him by PM.”
First you have to know Gob’s phone number and email address, something that was inaccessible to most people here, not only strangers knocking to get in, until recent changes. To some I never was a friend here, just an interloper with stupid and dangerous unsolicited suggestions. I guess I really am a FC candidate. Study the next Newbie, if there ever is one, and see how far he/she gets without someone protecting them.
Again, I thank you for trying so hard to mentor me. My problems was that your suggestions went counter to my experiences here. Maybe I just don’t fit here, even if I want to talk to old friends. My wife is telling me I’m off on another of my obsessions, and it’s time to take a break. I will step down and go to lurker status for a while. It’s fascinating to watch you fish swim around in Daddy Warbucks’s aquarium. I’ll be able to watch how my predictions about this site shrinking in size come to fruition. I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll see.

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Jesus H. Fucking Christ, Meth-head, let it go already!!!  You're an old fart who may or may not have been an engineer at some point in time or another, and frankly it doesn't matter a single good God-damn to me one way or the other.

Maya Angelou once said, "When someone shows you what they are, believe them the first time."  And what you are showing us, and what I am perfectly willing to believe, is that you are equal parts asshole and control freak.

What time on 12/3 are you going to go into "lurker mode"?  9:00 PM PST?  Fuck, that means we've got to put up with you for almost another 30 hours.
Can't you push it up some?  Even twelve hours would be appreciated.
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