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Gender or Sex?

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I woke up un the middle of last nite (3am?) and turned on BBC radio. I seemed to have joined near the end of a discussion about Mothers raising boys to be properly politically correct about feminism. At least that is the way I understood it. One person described a pattern identified by some other expert as girl-trauma and boy-trauma which seemed to be at about early puberty when girls lose self-confidence and become vulnerable to all kinds of emotional crisis. For boys it is about 5 or 6 years old when they are indoctrinated by other boys to be tough and aggressive and never show emotion and avoid anything 'girlish'. OK. I can deal with that. Then the group went on about how the discussion between mothers and sons must be framed in a vocabulary the boy can handle, so that eventually they can distinguish properly 'feminism' 'gender' and 'sex'. WHOA !

There I am really an old geezer. I don't have that vocabulary ! Can any body out there clue me in--to at least a beginning to how this gender/sex stuff is best distinguished and when I can start to really learning what they mean?

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Dear Geezer, they make a thing called Google and I asked him your question. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
Historically, the terms “sex” and “gender” have been used interchangeably, but their uses are becoming increasingly distinct, and it is important to understand the differences between the two.

This article will look at the meaning of “sex” and the differences between the sexes. It will also look at the meaning of “gender,” and the concepts of gender roles, gender identity, and gender expression.

In general terms, “sex” refers to the biological differences between males and females, such as the genitalia and genetic differences.

“Gender” is more difficult to define, but it can refer to the role of a male or female in society, known as a gender role, or an individual’s concept of themselves, or gender identity.

Sometimes, a person’s genetically assigned sex does not line up with their gender identity. These individuals might refer to themselves as transgender, non-binary, or gender-nonconforming.
The differences between male and female sexes are anatomical and physiological. “Sex” tends to relate to biological differences.

For instance, male and female genitalia, both internal and external are different. Similarly, the levels and types of hormones present in male and female bodies are different.

Genetic factors define the sex of an individual. Women have 46 chromosomes including two Xs and men have 46 including an X and a Y. The Y chromosome is dominant and carries the signal for the embryo to begin growing testes.

Both men and women have testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone. However, women have higher levels of estrogen and progesterone, and men have higher levels of testosterone.

The male/female split is often seen as binary, but this is not entirely true. For instance, some men are born with two or three X chromosomes, just as some women are born with a Y chromosome.

In some cases, a child is born with a mix between female and male genitalia. They are sometimes termed intersex, and the parents may decide which gender to assign to the child. Intersex individuals account for around 1 in 1,500 births.

Some people believe that sex should be considered a continuum rather than two mutually exclusive categories.
Gender
Gender roles vary greatly between societies.

Gender tends to denote the social and cultural role of each sex within a given society. Rather than being purely assigned by genetics, as sex differences generally are, people often develop their gender roles in response to their environment, including family interactions, the media, peers, and education.

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines gender as:

“Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men, such as norms, roles, and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed.”

Gender roles in some societies are more rigid than those in others.

The degree of decision-making and financial responsibility expected of each gender and the time that women or men are expected to spend on homemaking and rearing children varies between cultures. Within the wider culture, families too have their norms.

Gender roles are not set in stone.

In many societies, men are increasingly taking on roles traditionally seen as belonging to women, and women are playing the parts previously assigned mostly to men.

Gender roles and gender stereotypes are highly fluid and can shift substantially over time.
Who wears the high heels?

For instance, high-heeled shoes, now considered feminine throughout much of the world, were initially designed for upper-class men to use when hunting on horseback.

As women began wearing high heels, male heels slowly became shorter and fatter as female heels grew taller and thinner.

Over time, the perception of the high heel gradually became seen as feminine. There is nothing intrinsically feminine about the high heel. Social norms have made it so.
Pink for a girl and blue for a boy?

In many countries, pink is seen as a suitable color for a girl to wear, while boys ar dressed in blue.

However, infants were dressed in white until colored garments for babies were introduced in the middle of the 19th century.

The following quote comes from a trade publication called Earnshaw’s Infants’ Department, published in 1918:

“The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.”

Move forward 100 years and it is rare to find a baby boy dressed in pink in many countries.

Identity and expression

Another meaning of gender is an individual’s view of themselves, or their gender identity.

GLAAD (formerly the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) describes gender identity as:

“One’s internal, personal sense of being a man or woman. For transgender people, their own internal gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth.

Most people have a gender identity of man or woman (or boy or girl). For some people, their gender identity does not fit neatly into one of those two choices.”

Similarly, GLAAD describes gender expression as follows:

“External manifestations of gender, expressed through one’s name, pronouns, clothing, haircut, behavior, voice, or body characteristics. Society identifies these cues as masculine and feminine, although what is considered masculine and feminine changes over time and varies by culture.”

To conclude, in general terms, “sex” refers to biological characteristics and “gender” refers to the individual’s and society’s perceptions of sexuality and the malleable concepts of masculinity and femininity.
Recent developments in gender research from MNT news

Bodily organs appear to have sexual identity

Is your heart female? Your liver male? New research suggests that the stem cells our organs are made of “know” whether they are “male” or “female,” and that this gender bias could impact the development and behavior of organs.

Intriguing gender differences found in autistic friendships

Could gender differences in the symptoms of autism mask their prevalence in girls? A recent study into autistic friendships highlights some striking asymmetries

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TPFKA@W wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:03 pm
Bodily organs appear to have sexual identity

Is your heart female? Your liver male? New research suggests that the stem cells our organs are made of “know” whether they are “male” or “female,” and that this gender bias could impact the development and behavior of organs.
I think I get it now. For example, a homosexual man has a male penis and a female anus and a homosexual woman has a female vagina and a male tongue, along with a male's natural fondness for using tools to achieve certain tasks with less effort.

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Your name isn't actually Joe Exotic is it?

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TPFKA@W wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:17 pm
Your name isn't actually Joe Exotic is it?
I had to look that one up. Are you accusing me of being a felonious gay former zoo owner?

I'm just trying to make sense of the idea that each of the 78 organs of one person may not all be the same sex.

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Well, you do like cats so....

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Well........ No I won't say it... It's too easy and very immature....

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Since when has that stopped you?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Crackpot wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:49 am
Since when has that stopped you?
Good point. But I've reached a new level of respect for nurses. Even the ones that aren't currently working and are bumping into things at home instead.

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Thank you, TPFKA@W for an informative answer to my question.

Thanks also to Joe Guy for following the instructions "have fun, relax, but above all ARGUE" I suppose you were having fun, but no substance at all in your arguments.

And I suppose I should be chided for not relaxing. Hard to do in this time of the plague.

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Burning Petard wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:19 am
.......I suppose you were having fun, but no substance at all in your arguments......
It's difficult to have substance to an argument when I'm not having one.

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Joe likes to heckle, pester and bug, oh my. He likes to make sport of others. He is also a virtual "furry" and dresses like a cartoon skunk while seated at his computer. No substance required. (Though I have heard those furry costumes are expensive.)



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