What we wanted for Xmas 1976

[Gob]

Snip. I left the above in to reflect of continuous quality and content of the typical gob post but took out his tacit admission that I never once mentioned tapping. Someone else did, and it was buried deep in the quote AND ITSELF didnt claim he invented the technique.

Did you not see above that I proved that you introduced tapping into the discussion? Idiot. You did this when you quoted someone claiming that Van Halen "might as well have invented" it, which is utter nonsense.

[Gob]

Van Halen were a good pop rock band, (who were 'begat" in 71, not "late 70's") and with a talented guitarist and a very charismatic front man.

ANYONE who has even the smallest following of VH, knows the brothers formed a band not in 1971 at all. And it was not called VH. Even when they changed their name 2 years later, it was still not VH until they learned the changed name was in use (by a UK band Gob does not know of either)

Quad obviously has no idea what "begat" means, despite his introducing the word into the discussion. (Hint Quaddy, it doesn’t mean "to have your first hit album”.)

be•get   /bɪˈgɛt/ Show Spelled[bih-get] Show IPA
verb (used with object), be•got or ( Archaic ) be•gat; be•got•ten or be•got; be•get•ting.
1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.

He then goes on to prove himself wrong again.

But to not let him bluster away from the only points I have asked him to prove;


proof given of his claim that; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10 "

None.

Proof given of his claim; "(Punk evolved) mid 70s for the US with the ramones....but yo uare right, it didnt have much of a worldwide audience until the 80's."

None.

[Gob]

In order to fill in the blanks, dispute them, Gob will have to utilize google to learn (since he clearly does not know at this point), thereby proving, he does not know the subject matter. Didnt stop him from posting 'facts' (as they were)

Can anyone translate this into English?

I get the impression Quaddy is on a bender, a permanent one.

[quaddriver]

Snip. I left the above in to reflect of continuous quality and content of the typical gob post but took out his tacit admission that I never once mentioned tapping. Someone else did, and it was buried deep in the quote AND ITSELF didnt claim he invented the technique.

Did you not see above that I proved that you introduced tapping into the discussion? Idiot. You did this when you quoted someone claiming that Van Halen "might as well have invented" it, which is utter nonsense.

well this would be believable if it were not for the fact that I included a quote which stated 'this changes everything' which of course was the point, the stated point, the repeated point, the point where numerous people used the EXACT SAME WORDS about the EXACT SAME ALBUM (emphasis mine)

the fact that that person devoted a small minority of their writing about tapping is irrelevant. If I thought it was relevant I would have mentioned it.

I have purposefully left off the playing technique he IS responsible for as further proof of the level of understanding of the subject matter.

Of note, you used the phrase 'utter nonsense' when critiquing the account of another player, discussing the play of one Edward Van Halen. Under exactly what authority do you perform this criticism? you dont play the instrument. I am not aware that you play ANY instruments. Other players of this instrument are very appreciative of his techniques (tapping being perhaps the least but still meantioned highly as you pointed out). What puts you in this class?

Are you ready to admit you are wrong yet or another goalpost move/strawman claim up and coming?

[Gob]

Of note, you used the phrase 'utter nonsense' when critiquing the account of another player, discussing the play of one Edward Van Halen. Under exactly what authority do you perform this criticism? you dont play the instrument. I am not aware that you play ANY instruments. Other players of this instrument are very appreciative of his techniques (tapping being perhaps the least but still meantioned highly as you pointed out). What puts you in this class?

Are you ready to admit you are wrong yet or another goalpost move/strawman claim up and coming?

The only thing I called "utter nonsense", well let's read the post again shall we?

VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10

Utter nonsense. Van Halen did absolutely nothing new.

Dales,

Sex Pistols/Clash/Damned were all major players in 76-77

References to Van Halen's playing? Nil, as I've said several times, I love and respect his playing.

Quadd's fantasy about me not being a musician? Just another attempt to divert attention away from the fact that he claimed; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", which is utter bollocks.

[Joe Guy]

Please don't diss van halen.

It really upsets quad.

[Gob]

I would never "diss" Van Halen.

[Jarlaxle]

Dale hasn't been the same since the Big Band Era ended....

When "Magic 61" KFRC - 610 Khz ended their format, I did shed a quiet tear.

How about the dance styles Dales, you gonna take me Jitter-bugging some time?

Not sure about him, but maybe Brian can take you.

[Gob]

Has anyone heard Paul Anka's version of Van Halen's "Jump"? Wonderful stuff!!

[Sean]

Well I for one am taking Quaddy's advice. I obviously will not know a thing about guitarists until I learn to play guitar.

Can anybody recommend a good teacher?

[Gob]

I know a lad who has played with some decent musicians.

He's nearly as good as my mate Wynn, back in Wales. (Only nearly though, Wynn can play the lead part of "Lotus Feet" by John McGlaughlin, even Steve Vai struggled with that.)

[quaddriver]

The only thing I called "utter nonsense", well let's read the post again shall we?

VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10

Utter nonsense. Van Halen did absolutely nothing new.

If that is true, then WTF does this mean:

You did this when you quoted someone claiming that Van Halen "might as well have invented" it, which is utter nonsense.

Last time I am saying it: upon the introduction of the VH album, writers, musicians, players etc all used the same words to describe the impact, as were used on the introduction of the hwy 61, zep 1 and later the 10 album. no one used any qualifications such as 'except when VH did it' or 'in a different way than how VH did it'

therefore my choices are:

a) listen to music oriented magazines who make the same equate without qualification or
b) listen to gob

and

a) listen to same era bands who make the same equate without qualification or
b) listen to gob

and

a) listen to influenced bands who make the same equate without qualification or
b) listen to gob

and

a) listen to musicians who make the same equate without qualification or
b) listen to gob


hmm, tough choice, all those countless professionals or someone who

1) does not write for or own a music oriented magazine
2) is not now nor ever was connected to the industry
3) does not now nor ever has played an instrument, particularly the instrument of discussion
4) is not now, nor ever was in a band

I think I am going to have to stick with option A. At the very least I wont sound stupid should a conversation ever spring up at a gathering.

[Gob]

You're just talking nonsense again, you made the ludcrious claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", and have totally failed to justify it.

[quaddriver]

I know a lad who has played with some decent musicians.

He's nearly as good as my mate Wynn, back in Wales. (Only nearly though, Wynn can play the lead part of "Lotus Feet" by John McGlaughlin, even Steve Vai struggled with that.)

yeah, struggle so much his performance was grammy nominated

but dont worry, you too can learn to play it

I just tried on my kingman, whose cutaway allows me to get to the E without a dave mason style stretch.

not as hard as siberian khatru tho....

[Sean]

In the 90's, Nirvana single handedly dismantled the Hair Band era. Performing with bargain basement instruments, Cobain's playing was basic and sloppy. The antithesis of technical. The songs were not merely vehicles for guitar solos. His lyrics were brilliant, and like Hendrix, his playing was an extension of the words. After 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', record labels flocked to Seattle to sign any act they could. The genre they pioneered even had a name: Seattle Grunge. His simplistic solo style can still be heard in all forms of popular music today.

Now I slightly disagree with that, I think Vedder, McCready and Gossard of PEarl Jam did more so with 10 as forementioned.

Seriously I recommend that you and Gob, pick up the instrument and learn and most importantly READ.

You do not have to be the BEST to 'change everything' for that period. Although Eddie is #8 on the all time rank (which means he could be 6 or 10) he changed everything.

Clapton is oft considered the best or close to is (#2 and 4 on 2 different rankings) and is considered the most influential of all times over his BODY OF WORK. There is no single piece he put out that 'changed everything', like the 4 aforementioned albums which I told you were not a complete listing. I only placed the VH album in the time period being discussed and showed its peers.

Like I said, I dont expect you to understand, you mostly dont listen to them, you dont have the albums, you dont play the instrument, you dont sit/sat in a band.

Wow! You really know all about me don't you?

I'm not talking about who is the 'best'. That is entirely subjective and everybody has their own opinion (suffice to say that it's Rory Gallagher... look him up).
I believe we were talking about 'guitar pioneers'. Those who led the way in technique, tone, use of instrument, amplifier or FX. EVH does not fit into that category. He copied the tapping techniques used by countless others before him. That is all.

[quaddriver]

Wow! You really know all about me don't you?

I'm not talking about who is the 'best'. That is entirely subjective and everybody has their own opinion (suffice to say that it's Rory Gallagher... look him up).
I believe we were talking about 'guitar pioneers'. Those who led the way in technique, tone, use of instrument, amplifier or FX. EVH does not fit into that category. He copied the tapping techniques used by countless others before him. That is all.

So what part was wrong? Please share.

But no, we were talking about the late 70's. the thread is clear. and it never was about guitar pioneers (of which Eddie is considered one of, by the media and other players) it was about a game changing album in 1978 that changed the genre the same way at least 3 others I mentioned did. As also agreed with my the media and other players. the thread is also clear about that.

any dispute is entirely of gobs manufacture.

[Sean]

Share? Nope. You've already decided that you know me very well.

P.S. I've never really been a fan of the Fender Kingman or Fender acoustics in general. I've used Takamine acoustics ever since I had a small endorsement deal with them for a while back in the '90s.

[quaddriver]

Share? Nope. You've already decided that you know me very well.

P.S. I've never really been a fan of the Fender Kingman or Fender acoustics in general. I've used Takamine acoustics ever since I had a small endorsement deal with them for a while back in the '90s.

suit yourself.

I have never known a guitarist not willing to show off his chops at the drop of a hat. first time for everything.

suffice to say, I have always played yamaha accoustics after my first beginner. both in 6 and 12. I even keep a JBP in the RV. the fender sounded good in the sound room and the price was very right. now it sits beside me.

[Sean]

I posted about some of my past life as a session musician back on the CSB including some of the artists I've performed with. I'm not much of a bragger. One wrist reconstruction later I can't play the way I used to anyway...

Yamaha have made some nice acoustics and some even nicer electrics.

[Gob]

You're just talking nonsense again, you made the ludcrious claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", and have totally failed to justify it.

Can you tell me Quaddy, what this "worldwide change of pace" that you imagine happend is known as? Highway 61 is seen as part of beginning of the electic folk/folk rock scene, Zep early albums are seen as part of the birth of metal/hard rock, and Pearl Jam's 10 was part of the start of Grunge. So what is Van Halen's revolution in music known as?