Jim, They're doing it again!!

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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/m ... -babe-ruth

From the article linked above:
Million Dollar Arm tells the (true) story of Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel, two Indian cricketers who won a reality TV contest designed by sports agent JB Bernstein to find the best pitching prospect in India. Both of them ended up signing professional contracts with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Patel was released in 2010 after two seasons with their affiliate team, Singh is still playing. Both Singh and Patel had played a little cricket, but more pertinently they had also both had a little practice throwing javelins at college. It was their grounding in that sport which gave them their natural aptitude for throwing fastballs.

For all the ostensible similarities between cricket and baseball, techniques used in one don't necessarily carry over to the other. In baseball, for instance, you have to open the hips as you swing to provide the torque to hit the ball. Do that in cricket, and you square up and play across the ball. Pitching has more in common with throwing than it does with bowling, as Singh and Patel showed. And even catching is a different proposition when you're doing it bare-handed rather than wearing a mitt.

Which has never stopped people trying to switch between the two. In 1874 a group of 22 baseballers, including the great 'Cap' Anson, toured England to play a series of exhibition games. They fitted in a few cricket fixtures while they were here. They were unbeaten in all six games they played. But then they were allowed to field 18 men against the oppositions' 11.

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Ruth is supposed to have told Bradman: "I'll try this cricket business. Maybe it's my game." Ruth did, eventually. He came to England in the winter of 1935, and played a little cricket when he was in London. He struggled while he was taking an orthodox guard, so he switched back to his baseball stance and started walloping some net-bowlers to all parts. "Sure I could smack the ball alright," he told the press afterwards. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing?" All the same the game, Ruth decided, wasn't for him, just because "they tell me $40 a week is top pay for cricket".

As for Bradman, he never did play ball. A few of his team-mates did, though, back in the days when it was a winter sport in Australia. Neil Harvey played Grade A baseball, as did, later on, Norm O'Neill, Bill Lawry, and all three Chappell brothers. In Australia there has been at least a little cross-pollination between the two sports. That hasn't been possible in England, though some have dabbled. Ian Pont had a trial with the Philadelphia Phillies back in 1987. "I am doing it purely for the money," he said at the time. He didn't make much. Ed Smith wrote an entire book, Playing Hard Ball, about his try-outs with the New York Mets during their pre-season training in 2001.

During his benefit year in 2008 Marcus Trescothick organised a baseball match between Somerset and the Great Britain national team, who are, as you might imagine, a fairly amateur bunch. The cricketers were hammered 21-1. Oddly enough it was the better batsmen who found it hardest to adjust. James Hildreth, his instincts honed by a lifetime spent practising with a high left elbow couldn't help but try and play cover-drives. Hard to do when you're holding a Louisville slugger. Graham Gooch had a similar problem when he took part in a home-run derby against the Chicago Cubs Hall of Famer Ernie Banks back in 1988. "I tried to teach him to swing up and get the ball in the air," Banks said. "He was used to a low, straight swing of cricket, and every time he tried to swing up, he'd pop the ball up."

Things have just got interesting, thanks to a man named Julien Fountain. He played a little cricket as a kid in the 1980s, and when that didn't work out he took himself off to the USA to try and make it as a baseballer, simply because "I saw the World Series on TV in 1987 and it was beautiful." After a season playing with the Arun Panthers in Bognor Regis (really) Fountain, only 18, headed off to the USA to attend Major League try-outs. He never made the grade. But he had a long amateur career with the British national team. And in between he qualified as a cricket coach. He's gone on to enjoy a good career as a specialist fielding coach, working with the West Indies, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Fountain has always believed that there is a cross-over between the skills used in the two sports. Now he has the chance to prove his theory. While he was on holiday in Sri Lanka this summer, Fountain went to watch a match between a local side and a touring team from, you'll never guess, South Korea. This year's Asian Games are being held in Incheon this September, and, as with the 2010 edition, the 2014 Asiad will include a T20 cricket competition. As hosts, the South Koreans have decided to enter a team. Trouble being that outside of the ex-pat scene, the country isn't well stocked with cricketers. But what they do have, of course are plenty of baseballers. They won the Olympic gold in 2008, and silver at the 2009 World Classic. Well, you can see where this is going.
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Interesting, thanks Guin!!
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thanks!

I don t think I would have trouble batting either, and bare handed catching is how I like to practice with a baseball too. it teaches the proper form for infielders. pretty sure a pitcher could bowl just as easily as pitch, with practice.

I would not like those leg pads tho. darn, the ball hits the ground first, it ain t gonna kill ya!

all in all, cricket looks fun to me.

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Wes, cricket balls are harder than baseballs, and you can get severely injured from leg strikes without pads. A cricket ball is made from a core of cork, which is layered with tightly wound string, and covered by a leather case with a slightly raised sewn seam.

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baseballs are about the same thing gob, they will crack your skull, and they are occasional thrown at your head on purpose. often thrown at your ribs on purpose. I m talking hardball, not softball. big difference.

anyway, I might wear a soccer shin guard on my forward leg or something, but hockey goalie leg pads seem like overkill to me.

a little cousin of mine got killed in little league a few years back, ball hit him in the chest and his heart stopped. we have the shock paddles in all the little league field first aid kits now

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A standard cricket ball weighs between 5.5 and 5.75 ounces (155.9 and 163 grams), while a standard baseball weighs in at 5.25 ounces (142 and 149 grams).

A cricket ball is also smaller (22.4 -22.9 cm circumference) than a baseball (22.9 - 23.5 cm circumference), which means cricketers are catching a smaller and heavier ball, without the use of gloves
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about the same then?

I played third base. you have to be kinda fearless at the hot corner. I like to play close too, you get a better angle and less short hops and as I said many baseball players learn to catch bare handed, me included. yes it hurts.

don t get me wrong, I m sure I would have loved cricket had I been exposed to it earlier, its a genteel predecessor to baseball in my opinion

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"Sure I could smack the ball alright," he told the press afterwards. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing?" All the same the game, Ruth decided, wasn't for him, just because "they tell me $40 a week is top pay for cricket".
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Ah dear, he wouldn't have been able to play international cricket, (unless he played for the USA,) so he would have been on the journeyman's wages.

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Not a very sporting attitude, more a mercenary, wouldn't you say?
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gob!!!!

you can t speak ill of the babe!!!!!

that s like, like, like.... well its just not done.

he was also a heckuva pitcher at one time

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over my head....

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That would most often be an "extra", giving the other side one run and not counting as one of the 6 balls of the over. Now if it were a low bouncer and the batsman ducked beneath it, that would not be an extra.
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Except on Tuesday if there's a full moon...
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so what does the little cream pitcher mean. never mind, pitcher, I see now

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Fast pitch softball is probably closer to the skill set needed for pitching (bowling?) in cricket.

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Kidding aside, watch this brief video and then get real

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Not helpful Meade, what are those funny sticks behind the batsman? why are there fielders behind first base?
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if they could hit the damned ball they would not have to protect the wooden sticks with their legs. if they would take a step back they could whack that little sucker to next wednesday

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