busted their asses...

[MajGenl.Meade]

BSG - stop with the Bible bashing will you? It's petty.

The Courier-Journal of Louisville reported that a fan submitted the name of the horse during an online contest, and spelled "pharaoh" wrong. The woman later told media outlets she checked the spelling before she submitted the name. Regardless, the misspelling was put on the electronic form to the site where owners register their horses. Now the name is trademarked, the Louisville paper reported.

Zayat later responded in support of The Jockey Club's statement, saying that, "After I looked into our records I saw how it was submitted."

I thought your original complaint was that the owners/stable/Jockey Club spelled 'Pharaoh' incorrectly. Now I think you were commenting that some of the media spelled the horse's name incorrectly by not using 'Pharoah'.

Anyway, somebody spelled the f-ing thing incorrectly.

[BoSoxGal]

Yes, the owners spelled it wrong - they've acknowledged as much.

I haven't bashed the Bible. I've simply referred to what I see as hypocrisy in applying the principles expressed therein.

[Lord Jim]

Surely you can't both have me on ignore

Gen'l, I would never have you on ignore...

As wrong headed as you are on some topics, (and as exasperating as you can be) every now and then I actually learn something new that I didn't know before, that you have brought to the table...

Why on earth would I put someone on "ignore" who actually provides me at this late stage in my life, with information I didn't previously possess ? It doesn't happen all that often, but you have that affect more often then most...

(In case you didn't notice, that's a compliment...in fact it's about the biggest compliment I'm capable of giving to someone I'm not sleeping with... )

[Joe Guy]

(In case you didn't notice, that's a compliment...in fact about the biggest compliment I'm capable of giving to someone I'm not sleeping with... )

That sounds like a proposal...

[Lord Jim]

Now that's just gross...

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yes, the owners spelled it wrong - they've acknowledged as much.

I haven't bashed the Bible. I've simply referred to what I see as hypocrisy in applying the principles expressed therein.

(a) The stable manager acknowledged the submission to the Jockey Club contained the error. Now you've got the owners spelling 'Pharaoh' incorrectly - where'd you get that? A moment ago it was some clerical functionary at the stables but that person didn't spell poorly - no, they made a "clerical error".

(b) Bible bashing means using the Bible to bash someone with. It does not mean criticizing the Bible. Maybe 'Bible-thumping' is better? There was no hypocrisy; just a misunderstanding as to which spelling was in question.

I just noticed they spelled his name wrong - very f***ing irritating! Does nobody use a dictionary anymore?

No chance of a clerical error there, eh?

What we do know for sure:
The horse's name is and always will be spelled incorrectly as "Pharoah" but it doesn't matter.

What we don't know for sure is:
If it was a copying error/transposition
or poor spelling by whoever filled out the electronic form
or poor spelling by the person who sent in the entry that a clerical person simply copied without question.

But it doesn't matter


PS LJ, send a PM if you need a date... you'd have to be more than desperate

[BoSoxGal]

Now you're just trying to pick a fight with me.

For the record, the woman who submitted the name attests that SHE LOOKED UP THE SPELLING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CORRECT.

The owners acknowledged THAT THE NAME WAS SUBMITTED INCORRECTLY TO THE JOCKEY CLUB - i.e., they owned the mistake.

Why don't you stop making up fictions and deal with the record of facts?

As to the Bible - if you can use it, so can't I. I get tired of your preaching and dictating - but I have to deal with it. Ditto you.

[Crackpot]

Not like anyone ever looked something up and still spelled it wrong.

[MajGenl.Meade]

This is just a ball of confused communication and motives. All I've been trying to do is agree with you where facts are known.

a. I posted that the manager Zayat admitted the incorrect spelling was on the stable's submission. However, I didn't realize that chap, Zayat, was the horse's owner. I thought he worked at a stable. So, my bad.

b. I too posted that the woman told media outlets she checked the spelling before she submitted the name. Maybe she did and maybe she didn't. I don't know

You complained about wrong spelling and how people can't use dictionaries any more (twice) - I agreed
You've blamed an unknown clerical person for this - could be the case
You've claimed I'm posting fiction - I posted actual quotes showing a and b above
You appear to be 100% certain that the lady who submitted the name isn't telling fibs to cover her faux pas - that may be true but I cannot be certain. (ETA the word "be")

I would be happy for you to use Biblical references to demonstrate my hypocrisy in all of the above. I just don't have much respect for ad hominem Bible waving without substance.

Really BSG, you started it all off with complaints about a word being misspelled (through ignorance) and people not being to use dictionaries. OK. Now you argue that it isn't a misspelling from ignorance but a "clerical error", which no amount of dictionaries can solve.

And somehow I'm the hypocrite picking a fight? C'mon admit it - you backed Tale of Verve, right?

[rubato]

Should have just called him "American Faro" and we wouldn't be having this pointless argument.



yrs,
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[Guinevere]

I just noticed they spelled his name wrong - very fucking irritating! Does nobody use a dictionary anymore?

It is a proper name and can be spelled any way they like.


yrs,
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And once again, as appalling as it is, I find myself in agreement with The Right Honourable Gentleman From Santa Cruz...

This.


Lois is still around on Facebook. Just don't criticize the Steelers or root for the Pats.

I was in Maryland in the throes of riding and my horse obsession in the 70s. I vividly remember the streak from Secretariat to Affirmed, and the close calls that followed. I had no idea they would go on for 37 years and id be a fully realized adult before I saw another Triple Crown winner (I gasped when I saw the trophy - I described it exa exactly for my boys). We all watched, cheered, screamed, cried, and popped the bubbly (straight from Paris). My older boo is the same age I was when Affirmed won, the younger is riding (and had a lesson that afternoon that I attended). It was a very very good day!!!

So yes, there was a horsie race yesterday and it rocked!

[BoSoxGal]

On a related note, another colt was destroyed on the same Belmont track earlier in the day (before the Belmont Stakes) having shattered his delicate Thoroughbred ankle while running his race.

Which reminds me why my girlhood devotion to horse racing has been squelched lo these many years - it's a really terrible industry, from the horse's perspective. As an example, 1986 Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand was sent to slaughter for dog food when he didn't sire any promising offspring after just a few years out to stud.

[rubato]

On a related note, another colt was destroyed on the same Belmont track earlier in the day (before the Belmont Stakes) having shattered his delicate Thoroughbred ankle while running his race.

Which reminds me why my girlhood devotion to horse racing has been squelched lo these many years - it's a really terrible industry, from the horse's perspective. As an example, 1986 Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand was sent to slaughter for dog food when he didn't sire any promising offspring after just a few years out to stud.

Sounds like a very sensible way of making use of a horse not useful for other things.


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[Guinevere]

A few points:

1. Thoroughbred race horses have been breaking their legs on tracks for a long time. There has been several recent reviews of the rate of injury and some evaluation of the causes. One thought is that all the "legal" performance enhancing drugs allowed in the US have weakened the horses, or allowed them to be pushed to limits their frames cannot support. The rate of fatal injuries is lower in Europe where most performance drugs are not allowed. Europeans also race more on turf, and their races are often longer. Lots more analysis to be done and improvements should be made. I'd get rid of the drugs in a heartbeat, were I Empress of the World.

2. Ferdinand was slaughtered at age 20, in 2002, not ancient, but not necessarily at the end of his life (avg lifespan of a horse is 20-30). Also, it wasn't American owners or done in the US -- he had been sold to a Japanese breeding farm in 1994. I'm guessing there are some cultural differences at play, but it was still shocking and sad. His death resulted in the creation of the "Ferdinand fee" an voluntary tax that is used to help fund race horse retirement and rescue. In fact, I have friends who have a retired thoroughbred mare they use for riding competitions.

3. American Pharoah's last quarter of the Belmont was 0.68 seconds faster than Secretariat (total time still 2 seconds slower) -- an amazing race and amazing horse!

ETA - italics clarification on total time

[wesw]

thanks for the clarification on Ferdinand, but 2 min. slower?

[Guinevere]

Sorry, 2 seconds slower...

[Long Run]

Yes, a terrific horse, but the difference just highlights Secretariat's greatness, that 2 seconds+ would be about 13 lengths. Conditions were excellent for both.

[wesw]

just watched the secretariat clip again. his stride was completely different than the other horses, longer, more like a dog or a cheetah with front and rear feet staying together more

[Guinevere]

Side by side comparison:

http://www.wsj.com/video/american-pharo ... 09F4B.html

Wes, their gates aren't all that different - horses all run the same. But Secretariat had a faster cadence for his long stride, and his stride was slightly longer than average.

[rubato]

Just heading off Meade and BSG at the pass before they go apeshit:


Gate = what keeps the horse from running away.

Gait = the style with which the horse runs away.


yrs,
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