THIS is why UFC/MMA must stop

[Lord Jim]

it seems unlikely a a reasonable person would accept it.

I have to say rube, I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of you setting the standard for "reasonable person"....

[Burning Petard]

Jar, there are lots of people in the USofA who think motorcycles in general should be outlawed--they like to call those who operate those vehicles 'organ donors' and yes, they would ban -cross and any other form of moto competition.

Life is dangerous. Nothing is 'safe'. Even breathing, with the air pollution present in most urban situations, is dangerous. But there are those who would protect us all from the consequences of our own actions.

snailgate

[oldr_n_wsr]

But there are those who would protect us all from the consequences of our own actions.

No thanks

I will ride my mc, I will jump out of aeroplanes, I will snowmobile (really really fast), I will swim across the lake without a life vest, I might even climb a really tall tree to get the rc plane out of it.
And I will play football on thanskgiving day with my high school buddies and our offspring.
And I will accept any consequences.

Besides, that guy should have Obamacare to handle those broken bones.

[Jarlaxle]

it seems unlikely a a reasonable person would accept it.

I have to say rube, I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of you setting the standard for "reasonable person"....

No kidding...

[rubato]

The clear issue is "do the participants understand the nature and severity of the risks they are taking on". If they do not then it is exploitation and must be prohibited.

Another way to phrase it is "is this a risk that a reasonable person would accept with full knowledge of the consequences". The high probability of permanent mental damage is so great that it seems unlikely a a reasonable person would accept it. And if that is the case it is exploitation.


yrs,
rubato

Following that to its logical conclusion, you must support banning motocross, as well as motorcycle racing.

So you are saying that the participants in motocross and other forms of motorcycle racing are unaware of the dangers?

Not in my experience.


yrs,
rubato

[Jarlaxle]

Quoting you...

Another way to phrase it is "is this a risk that a reasonable person would accept with full knowledge of the consequences". The high probability of permanent mental damage is so great that it seems unlikely a a reasonable person would accept it. And if that is the case it is exploitation.

Would a "reasonable person" run the Isle of Man TT or the Manx Grand Prix? It is the most dangerous MC race in the world. Five racers died this year, most years have at least one fatal wreck. (One year without a fatality in the last 30+.) And yet, knowing how dangerous it is, thousands of riders run it, it's a dream for probably millions more I'm on a forum with several riders running the TT; either ran it this year, or doing it next year.

I have never met a serious motocross rider without a bunch of injuries from it. I work with a dude that has a plate in his arm from crashing during a hare scramble. (Yes, he still rides, street and dirt.)

[Econoline]

Yes, but is there really a "high probability of permanent mental damage" in motocross? (I really don't know; I'm just asking.)






I guess if there really *IS*, that might explain why those suffering from such damage keep going back for more?

[Jarlaxle]

Concussions in MX and trials are not unusual.

[Gob]

Concussions in England's professional rugby union are the most common injury gained. Concussion can occur where an individual experiences a minor injury to the head. Commonly occurring in high contact sporting activities; football, boxing, and rugby. It can also occur in recreational activities like horse riding, jumping, cycling, and skiing. The reason being that it doesn't have to be something to strike you in the proximity of your brain, but can also be caused by rapid change of movement, giving the skull not enough time to move with your body, causing your brain to press against your skull. With rugby being such a contact and fast moving sport, it is no wonder why there is concussion and other head injuries occurring. With the development of equipment and training methods, these will help benefit the players on the field know what could happen and how they can help with preventing it.

[kmccune]

Do you mean to tell me ,just because I have had close to a dozen concussions(at least ) that I have a high probability of becoming demented ? I have been knocked out at least 3 times and I dont wish to repeat the experience. I think some of these people just happened to be prone to senile dementia or whatever .I do admit there are things mentally that I should be able to do(judging from other people ) such as motor skills ,but people always told me I was slow .Dont you think think that perhaps some of these Folks where going to develop Alzheimers anyway ?(everybody that is exposed to cancer causing agents ,do not get cancer )
Granted contact sports are dangerous,it seems that the Human body must have a fair amount of resistance to such tramua.Perhaps better headgear would help in such circumstances,but it still seems likely that brain would be pressing on the interior of the skull.I remember younger brother hitting me across the forehead with a baseball bat (accidently of course ) the only effect I noticed from that was a cut in the eyebrow region that bled profusely,we didnt get to go to the ER much when I was growing up.had a similar mishap on the ice when I was pushed from behind(took seven stitches on that one that really hurt) When the ring from a split rim hit me on the top of the head,needed stitches then too ,etc . There are concussions and there are concussions,some of these athletes must get an event so traumatic its a wonder they didnt suffer a broken neck.I feel sorry for anyone who has to endure such things ,but if you do it voluntarily,then you knew the job was dangerous when you took it
Yes ,I agree the UFC should cease to exist,it is after all bloodsport and the Human race needs to start evolving out of our lust for destruction and pride .

[BoSoxGal]

There are several great articles, and a wonderful book, out there detailing the discovery of CTE by Dr. Bennet Omalu and how he was nearly ruined by the NFL in their quest to deny it existed.

The science around CTE is still developing but there is consensus in the scientific/medical community about how it is caused - they're still working on understanding why some people don't develop symptoms despite experiencing similar multiple head traumas as those who do. Some may just be better at hiding the symptoms, or don't experience them as dramatically.

CTE is not the same thing as regular dementia or Alzheimer's disease, and cannot be diagnosed until pathology is done on the brain after death. As more and more athletes donate their brains upon death to the scientists now studying it (there is a center at BU School of Medicine and coordinated research is being done at University of Pittsburgh, where Omalu was educated in part), more will obviously be learned. Some of those athletes have committed suicide in response to the symptoms of CTE and specifically shot themselves other than in the brain, in order to preserve the evidence - Dave Duerson is an example, and he had denied the existence of CTE while working for the NFL post-playing career, then became a victim of it himself.

For an entertaining introduction to the subject, the film Concussion with Will Smith is very good. I would also highly recommend the Frontline documentary on the subject.

[RayThom]

The PBS/Frontline series "League of Denial" was excellent. The NFL coverup goes beyond the pale.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... net-omalu/
And then there's the companion piece:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/artic ... n-disease/
Too little, too late some now say.