Guinevere wrote:You're completely missing the point. Try moving out of a white-male-centric view of the world some time, ok?
What other sort of viewpoint should I have? I AM a white male and I can't be anything else.
Not to mention that I did back off and meet you half-way. Or is this just an adversarial attitude on your part and you won't be satisfied with anything less than total submission? -"BB"-
Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
Compare means to discuss similarities. One can compare a rusted out Yugo with a new Bugatti Veyron (both are intended to move people, both are designed with four tires. . . .) It is more informative to contrast them, discuss their differences.
Circumcision and FGM as cultural practices are typically both performed by non-physicians. Both involve removal of tissue in the groin area. That is about the only useful comparison I care to make. In contrast, FMG is typically done at a point in life where the entire procedure will be remembered as a severe physical trauma, intended to have lasting emotional effect. Most circumcision is done early enough in life that there will be no remembrance.
As a matter of my personal judgement, even calling it FGM is an ugly denial of reality.
Sean and BB, whatever circumcision is, it is not akin to FGM and, by comparing it to FGM, you are diminishing and normalizing FGM, which is absolutely wrong. 1/3 of the men of the world are circumcized. Would you like 1/3 of the woman to be mutilated, too?
Please read my previous post. If you still do not want to accept what I am actually saying as opposed to what you want me to be saying so that you can take some imperious position with me, then we're done with this topic.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
A big difference between the two is that the mutilation of male genitalia is accepted in western society one involves removing the orgasm stimulating part of the sex organs and the other does not.
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Calling circumcision "mutilation" would be like calling a nose job or a face lift "mutilation". It's cosmetic surgery.
FGM is a helluva lot more than cosmetic.
I disagree completely Jim. It's not the same as a nose job. If you were slicing part of the nose off then it would be comparable... and I bet you'd describe that as mutilation!
Exhibit 'A' Exhibit 'B'
-"BB"-
Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
Bill, keep on digging that hole by making fun of a serious human rights violation. But hey, its just girls, right? Mostly those in Africa, so they don't really count as people?
Sean, I'm not taking an "imperious position" but I am pointing out how comments like "what about circumcision" in the context about a discussion about FGM do nothing but normalize FGM, and try to make it acceptable. I get that wasn't your point, but look at the discussion -- can you say that isn't how others took it?
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
A valid comparison would be cutting off a 12 year old boy's penis using a sea shell. When that starts happening, come back to it. Otherwise, circumcision is absolutely not a comparison to the woman-hating cruelty of so-called FGM.
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
MajGenl.Meade wrote:A valid comparison would be cutting off a 12 year old boy's penis using a sea shell. When that starts happening, come back to it. Otherwise, circumcision is absolutely not a comparison to the woman-hating cruelty of so-called FGM.
MajGenl.Meade wrote:A valid comparison would be cutting off a 12 year old boy's penis using a sea shell. When that starts happening, come back to it. Otherwise, circumcision is absolutely not a comparison to the woman-hating cruelty of so-called FGM.
Thank you Meade.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
MajGenl.Meade wrote:A valid comparison would be cutting off a 12 year old boy's penis using a sea shell. When that starts happening, come back to it. Otherwise, circumcision is absolutely not a comparison to the woman-hating cruelty of so-called FGM.
Thank you Meade.
During the slave trade between east Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, which only ended in the early 20th century, young boys were made more valuable by castrating them. A certain percentage didn't survive the procedure.
MajGenl.Meade wrote:A valid comparison would be cutting off a 12 year old boy's penis using a sea shell. When that starts happening, come back to it. Otherwise, circumcision is absolutely not a comparison to the woman-hating cruelty of so-called FGM.
Thank you Meade.
During the slave trade between east Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, which only ended in the early 20th century, young boys were made more valuable by castrating them. A certain percentage didn't survive the procedure.
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cas·trate (kăs′trāt′)
tr.v. cas·trat·ed, cas·trat·ing, cas·trates
1. To remove the testicles of (a male); geld or emasculate.
2. To remove the ovaries of (a female); spay.
3. To deprive of virility or spirit; emasculate.
I give up... Some people just refuse to acknowledge or address what is *ACTUALLY* written. They would rather twist it into something it isn't from the comfort of their high horse.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
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