Hispanic (lack of) education will kill US democracy

[loCAtek]

At present, America can boast the best educated workforce in the world but in 50 years' time, the majority of those workers will be Hispanic. If they are uneducated, what hope is there for American global competitiveness?

So? They can still join the military, where they can gain citizenship, a skill and/or education, thereby making themselves productive citizens. In other words, they can work for it.

Most of the first Philippine immigrants served in the US Navy, by enlisting from their home country. Frankly, it's shame they were not allowed to be much more than stewards to the officers at the time, but it afforded they and their families many more opportunities to succeed than they otherwise would have had.

What their religion has to do with that, I dunno...

[loCAtek]

Oh wait, you're talking about the two most highly oppressed peoples of the white Caucasian Conquistadors. [Mexicans and Philippinos] Our cultures were stripped; our languages changed and our very family heritage challenged; all of this not much more than 200 years ago; in the name of TERRITORY, RICHES and GOLD, for the Royal Crown.

They established the social structure that said, the browner you were, the less education you would receive.

...yeah, that'll kinda mess with your long-term aspirations, but that's called Racism, not Roman Catholic anything.

[rubato]

Mormons tend to have large families and are relatively prosperous.

Because they promote education which Catholics do not.

"... when stupid government policies encourage having babies that you, personally, cannot afford to have, the results are disastrous.

When stupid religious policies encourage having babies that you cannot afford the results are disastrous . Agreed.

yr,
rubato

[Andrew D]

And when stupid government policies encourage having babies that you, personally, cannot afford to have, the results are disastrous.

So the smart governmental policy would be making contraception available to everyone, right?

[loCAtek]

Because they promote education which Catholics do not.

Incorrect;

As of 2011 the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system...

International benefits
[edit] Preference for the poor

Catholic schools have experienced changes heralded by the Second Vatican Council in regards to Catholic social teaching cantered on the poor: “First and Foremost, the Church offers its educational services to the poor, or those who are deprived of family help and affection or those who are far from faith...”[21] These changes have led to instances in Brazil, Peru and Chile where the contributions has led to “a new way of being in school,” by including the disadvantaged and people in poor areas to education.
[edit] High attendance and performance

Empirical evidence in the United States and Australia indicates that education performance and attendance are greater in Catholic schools in contrasts to its public counter-parts. Evans and Schwab (1998) in their experiment found that attendance at Catholic schools in the United States increases the probability of completing high school or commencing college by 13%.[22] Similarly, an experiment conducted by Williams and Carpenter (1990) of Australia through comparing previous examination by private and public schools concluded that students in private education outperform those from government schools on all educational, social and economic indicators.[22]

Wikisource-
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q48 ... 001&page=1

Philippines

Since the time of the Spaniards, schools have been traditionally run by the church and the different religious orders. Parochial schools are run by the parishes while Catholic schools are administered by the dioceses or religious orders.
[edit] Metro Manila

In the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila and its suffragan dioceses, the parochial schools are being supervised by the Manila Archdiocesan Parochial Schools Association and its affiliates like the Diocese of Cubao Educational System or and the Parochial Schools Association of Novaliches. These organisations are overseen by the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines through the Episcopal Commission on Catechism and Christian Education.[citation needed]

[dgs49]

Promoting birth control has only ever worked among the middle classes. Among poorer people, (a) they just don't give a care, (b) they are less likely to consider the long-term results of short-term decisions, and (c) they are not at all reluctant to depend on government handouts to support them and their offspring.

No population on earth (other than selfish middle class white people here and in Europe) has ever had its prospects significantly improved by mass utilization of birth control.

Thank you rube for again demonstrating what an idiot you are. "The Catholic church doesn't value education."

Priceless.

[Lord Jim]

Excellent info LoCa....

"Because they promote education which Catholics do not."

LOL

What a bizarre comment...(But then it comes from the same guy who said that the Christians invented genocide, so what do you expect?)

So the Catholics don't promote education? I guess the folks involved with these institutions didn't get the memo:

Alphabetical Listing
A

Albertus Magnus College, New Haven, CT

Allentown College of St Francis de Sales,
Allentown PA

Alvernia College, Reading, PA

Alverno College, Milwaukee, WI

Ancilla College, Donaldson, IN

Anna Maria College, Paxton MA

Aquinas College, Grand Rapids, MI

Acquinas College, Nashville, TN

Assumption College, Worcester, MA

Assumption College (two year) for Sisters,
Mendham, NJ

Ave Maria University , Naples, FL

Avila College, Kansas City, MO

B

Barry University, Miami Shores, FL

Belmont Abbey College, Belmont, NC

Benedictine College, Atchinson, KS

Boston College, Chestnut Hill, MA

Brescia University, Owensboro, KY

Briar Cliff College, Sioux City, IA

C

Cabrini College, Radnor (Philadelphia), PA

Caldwell College, Caldwell, NJ

Canisius College, Buffalo, NY

Cardinal Stritch University, Milwaukee, WI

Carlow College, Pittsburgh, PA

Carroll College, Helena, MT

Catholic Distance University, Hamilton, Virginia
adult education courses in the Catholic Faith,
Catechetical Diploma by correspondence learning

Catholic University of America, Washington, DC

Chaminade University of Honolulu, Honolulu, HI

Chestnut Hill College, Philadelphia, PA

Christendom College, Fort Royal, VA

Christian Brothers University, Memphis, TN

Clarke College, Dubuque, IA

College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, MA

College of Mount Saint Vincent, Riverdale, NY

College of Mount St Joseph, Cincinnati, OH

College of Notre Dame, Belmont CA

College of Our Lady of the Elms, Chicopee, MA

College of Notre Dame of Maryland, Baltimore, MD

College of Saint Benedict, St. Joseph, MN

College of Saint Mary, Omaha, NE

College of Saint Mary Magdalen, Warner, NH

College of Saint Catherine, Minneapolis, MN

College of Saint Scholastica, Duluth, MN

College of Saint Thomas More, Fort Worth, TX

Creighton University, Omaha, NE

D

DePaul University, Chicago, IL

DeSales University, Allentown, PA

Dominican College, Orangeburg, NY

Dominican University of California, San Rafael, CA

Dominican University, River Forest, IL
(Formerly Rosery College)

Duquesne University, Pittsburg, PA

E

Edgewood College, Madison, WI

Elms College , Chicopee, MA

Emmanuel College, Boston, MA

Edgewood College, Madison, WI

F

Fairfield University, Fairfield, CT

Felician College, Rutherford, NJ

Fontbonne College, St. Louis, MO

Fordham University, New York, NY

Franciscan University, Steubenville, OH

G

Gannon University, Erie, PA

Georgetown University, Washington, DC

Georgian Court College, Lakewood, NJ

Gonzaga University, Spokane, WA

Gwynedd Mercy College, Gwynedd Valley, PA

H

Holy Names University, Oakland - San Francisco, CA

Holy Cross College, Notre Dame, IN

Holy Cross, Worcester, MA

J

John Carroll University, University Heights, OH

K

King's College, Ontario, Canada

King's College, Wilkes-Barre, PA

L

La Salle University, Philadelphia, PA

La Roche College, Pittsburgh, PA

LeMoyne College, Syracuse, NY

Lewis University, Romeoville (Chicago), IL

Loras College, Dubuque, IA

Lourdes College, Sylvania, OH

Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA

Lyola College, Baltimore, MD

Loyola University Chicago, Chicago, IL

Loyola University, New Orleans, LA

M

Madonna University, Livonia, MI

Manhattan College, Riverdale, NY

Marian College, Indianapolis, IN

Marian Court College, Swampscott, MA

Marian University, Fond du Lac, WI

Marquette University, Milwaukee, WI

College of Saint Mary Magdalen, Warner, NH

Marymount University, Arlington, VA

Marywood University, Scranton, PA

Mercyhurst College, Erie, PA

Merrimack College, North Andover, MA

Molloy College, Rockville Center, NY

Mount Aloysius College, Cresson, PA

Mount Marty College, Yankton, SD

Mount Mary College, Milwaukee, WI

Mount St Joseph, Cincinnati, OH

Mount St Mary's College, Los Angeles, Ca

Mount St Mary's College, Emmitsburg, MD

Mount Saint Mary College, Newburg, NY

Mount St Vincent, Riverdale, NY

N

Newman University, Wichita, KS

Niagara University, Lewiston (Niagara Falls), NY

Notre Dame, Belmont, CA

Notre Dame, South Bend/Notre Dame, IN

Notre Dame College of Ohio, South Euclid, OH

Notre Dame of Maryland, Baltimore, MD

O

Ohio Dominican University , Columbus, OH

Our Lady of the Elms College, Chicopee, MA

Our Lady of the Holy Cross College, New Orleans, LA

Our Lady of the Lake College, Baton Rouge, LA

Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, TX

P

Providence College, Providence, RI

Q

Quincy University, Quincy, IL

R

Regis College, Weston, MA

Regis University, Denver, CO

Rivier College, Nashua, NH

Rockhurst University, Kansas City, MO

Rosemont College, Philadelphia, PA

Dominican University, River Forest, IL
(Formerly Rosery College)

S

Saint Ambrose University, Davenport, IA

St. Anselm College, Manchester, NH

Saint Benedict College, St. Joseph, MN

St. Bonaventure University, St Bonaventure, NY

Saint Catherine, Minneapolis, MN

St. Edward's University, Austin, TX

St. Francis College, Brooklyn Heights, NY

Saint Francis College, Loretto, PA

St. Gregory's University, Shawnee, OK

Saint Joseph College, West Hartford, CT

Saint Joseph's College, Rensselaer, IN

St. Joseph's College of Maine, Standish, ME

Saint Joseph's University, Philadelphia, PA

St. John Fisher College, Rochester, NY

Saint John's University, Collegeville, MN

St. John's University, New York, NY

Saint Leo University, Saint Leo, FL

Saint Louis University, St. Louis, MO

Saint Martin's College, Lacey, WA

Saint Mary's College, Notre Dame, IN

Saint Mary's College of California, Moraga, CA

College of Saint Mary Magdalen, Warner, NH

Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College,
Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, IN

Saint Mary's University of Minnesota,
Winona and Minneapolis, MN

St. Mary's University, San Antonio, TX

St. Mary, University of, Leavenworth, KS

St. Michael's College, Colchester (Burlington), VT

St. Norbert College, De Pere, WI

Saint Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ

Saint Scholastica, Duluth, MN

Saint Thomas More, Fort Worth, TX

St Thomas University, Miami, FL

St. Vincent College, Latrobe, PA

Saint Xavier University, Chicago, IL

Salve Regina University, Newport, RI

Santa Clara University, Santa Clara, CA

Scranton University, Scranton, PA

Scranton University Online Graduate Programs

Seattle University, Seattle, WA

Seton Hall University, South Orange, NJ

Seton Hill University, Greensburg, PA

Siena College, Loudenville (Albany), NY

Siena Heights University, Adrian, MI

Southern Catholic College, Dawsonville, GA

Spring Hill College, Mobile, AL

Stonehill College, North Easton, MA

T

The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC

The College of St. Thomas More, Fort Worth, TX

The Thomas More College of Liberal Arts, Merrimack, NH

Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA

Trinity College, Washington, DC

U

University of Dallas, Irving, TX

University of Dayton, Dayton, OH

University of Detroit Mercy, Detroit, MI

University of Mary, Bismarck, N.D.

University of Notre Dame,
South Bend/Notre Dame, IN

University of Portland, Portland, OR

University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, IN

University of Saint Francis, Joliet, IL

University of San Diego, San Diego, CA

University of St. Francis, Joliet, IL

University of Saint Mary, Leavenworth, KS

University of St. Thomas, Houston, TX

University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, MN

University of San Francisco, San Francisco, CA

University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

University of Scranton Online Graduate Programs

University of the Incarnate Word, San Antonio, TX

Ursuline College, Pepper Pike, OH

V

Villa Maria (two-year) College, Cheektowaga, NY

Villanova University, Villanova, PA

Viterbo University, La Crosse, WI

W

Wheeling Jesuit University, Wheeling, WV

X

Xavier University, Cincinnati, OH

http://www.stirenes.org/information/college_list.html

That's one of the problems with being a bigot; you're so ready to believe any negative thing about the group you don't like, that you don't bother to take the 20 seconds it would take to check your facts before you say something that makes you look like an ignorant buffoon....

[loCAtek]

I've been wondering what sort of 'ist' is discriminatory against any or all religion. A racial bigot is a 'racist'. A sexual bigot is a 'sexist'.

A religious bigot is 'religist'. perhaps?

[kristina]

I don't have time to look this up right now, but IIRC, when birth control is made available to women in very poor areas (parts of Africa and India are what I remember reading about), family size tends to get smaller. Don't recall if this was in conjunction with increases in education.

[BoSoxGal]

I earned my law degree from a Jesuit university. The Jesuit tradition of education emphasizes not only the pursuit of personal excellence, but more importantly, service to others. Catholic universities include some of the finest, and parochial schools still provide a high quality education in many communities.

[Sean]

I was beaten by the finest christian brothers and nuns!

[The Hen]

The Hatch's dad was schooled by the Sisters of Perpetual Torment.

Didn't do him any harm.

*twitch* *twitch*

[Andrew D]

"Give me the child for seven years, and I will give you the man."

It is, of course, absurd to suggest that the Roman Catholic Church does not foster education.

(That is not to say that the Roman Catholic Church has always behaved that way. There have been times when it found widespread illiteracy more conducive than widespread education to its objectives.)

The more difficult questions are the extent to which the Roman Catholic Church has used education as a means of indoctrination (in the generally intended sense of that word) and the extent to which its attempts to use education as a means of indoctrination have not only failed but been, from the point of view of the would-be indoctrinator, counter-productive.

I reserve judgment.

[loCAtek]

Thank you for that: 'it's not all about me' observation, Andrew D

[Sean]

The more difficult questions are the extent to which the Roman Catholic Church has used education as a means of indoctrination (in the generally intended sense of that word) and the extent to which its attempts to use education as a means of indoctrination have not only failed but been, from the point of view of the would-be indoctrinator, counter-productive.

I reserve judgment.

I can speak only from my own experience of course but what I saw was a huge slant towards Catholic beliefs and doctrine in just about every subject. History became Catholics Vs The Rest and certain elements of Science was taught to me in an almost tongue in cheek way. Almost in a "This is what the textbooks say so we have to spout it to you but we know better don't we? Nudge-nudge, wink-wink" kind of way. It was the kind of indoctrination which was (thankfully) extremely counter-productive in my case but not in many cases. Simple Irish farm-boys (and girls) are not particularly difficult to indoctrinate. It's one of the main reasons why Catholicism has such a hold over that whole country.

[Gob]

Simple Irish farm-boys (and girls) are not particularly difficult to indoctrinate.

Yet you survived and escaped! Respect dude!!

[Long Run]

Based on what past generations describe, Catholic schools of the past were drastically different then than they are now. It appears the parochial schools have changed for the times so that they can stay in business. Many of the best K-8 and high schools in this and many other metropolitan and small cities will be found at the Catholic schools. My experience, as a non-Catholic, is that they are first and foremost about providing a good secular education, teaching kids to respect other people, and their religion is present but minimal compared to every other type of religious school (probably about 1/4 of what I've seen at the Jewish day school or conservative Christian schools). And they provide this education at a very competitive price relative to other private schools. I agree with the others that the Jesuit colleges are outstanding and compete head-on with top colleges in many parts of the country.

[Sean]

I'm not talking about 50 years ago though LR... My Catholic school experience was in the 80s. I do know through friends in Ireland that not a lot has changed between then and now.

[Sean]

Simple Irish farm-boys (and girls) are not particularly difficult to indoctrinate.

Yet you survived and escaped! Respect dude!!

Ouch! Like being hit with a cricket bat wrapped in velvet.

Bastard!

[dgs49]

You could fill a pretty big pamphlet with highly-educated public figures who got much of their education at Catholic institutions and thumb their noses at core Catholic teachings. Many of them have written for the New York Times.

In the process of indoctrination, they regrettably teach us how to think for ourselves - provided you get past 8th grade. There is nothing worse than someone who went to 8 years of Catholic grade school and thinks s/he knows all about the Church.