Ring sting

[Scooter]

Or if a crime has been committed and, absent other meaningful leads, the police choose to zero in on someone who happened to be in the area at the time because, you know, walking while black.

[Joe Guy]

Or if a crime has been committed and, absent other meaningful leads, the police choose to zero in on someone who happened to be in the area at the time because, you know, walking while black.

You can't accuse black or Hispanic people around here of committing a crime. It's racist. In fact, I can get a citation from the police if I don't apologize for being white when I encounter a minority on the street.

[Bicycle Bill]

To be honest, a lot of the doorbell videos I've seen posted give a much higher definition picture of whoever or whatever is at the door than most if not all of the 'security' cams at convenience stores or banks.  That bullshit about having to fall back onto "facial recognition software" to ID someone is just that ... bullshit.

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

Or if a crime has been committed and, absent other meaningful leads, the police choose to zero in on someone who happened to be in the area at the time because, you know, walking while black.

You can't accuse black or Hispanic people around here of committing a crime. It's racist. In fact, I can get a citation from the police if I don't apologize for being white when I encounter a minority on the street.

You want to pretend it doesn't happen, then no point in discussing the potential dangers of this any further, because your head is jammed too far up your ass to recognize them.

[Scooter]

To be honest, a lot of the doorbell videos I've seen posted give a much higher definition picture of whoever or whatever is at the door than most if not all of the 'security' cams at convenience stores or banks.  That bullshit about having to fall back onto "facial recognition software" to ID someone is just that ... bullshit.

It's not about someone viewing the video being able to recognize someone they know. It's about how the police might use the video to identify people who, for whatever reason, they have an interest in identifying. That is literally the function of facial recognition software, to compare unknown individuals to photos of identified individuals in order to find a match.

[Bicycle Bill]

To be honest, a lot of the doorbell videos I've seen posted give a much higher definition picture of whoever or whatever is at the door than most if not all of the 'security' cams at convenience stores or banks.  That bullshit about having to fall back onto "facial recognition software" to ID someone is just that ... bullshit.

It's not about someone viewing the video being able to recognize someone they know. It's about how the police might use the video to identify people who, for whatever reason, they have an interest in identifying. That is literally the function of facial recognition software, to compare unknown individuals to photos of identified individuals in order to find a match.

It stands to reason that a high-resolution image will be able to provide a more-accurate match, even using facial recognition software.  Or are you just using the software issue to obfuscate the fact that you are more-or-less claiming that 'all black people look alike anyway' ?

NOW who's being racist??

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

No, I'm saying that facial recognition software is racially biased because it has been conclusively proven to be so. If it was just a factor of the resolution, then there would be no reason for the error rate for whites to be so much less that for other races. When the error rates for blacks and Asians are 100 times higher than for whites, it's time look for an answer other than accusing the person drawing attention to that indisputable FACT of being a racist.

Oh, and go fuck yourself.

[Joe Guy]

You want to pretend it doesn't happen, then no point in discussing the potential dangers of this any further, because your head is jammed too far up your ass to recognize them.

The potential danger of police using any technology that might be error prone should be addressed before deciding whether it should be legally allowed to be used as evidence and addressed in court as all evidence is if it is allowed.

Other than that I like my Ring camera just fine and I don’t believe that it’s a danger to black people in my neighborhood.

[Gob]

I'd hate to live in your world Scooter.,

[Scooter]

The potential danger of police using any technology that might be error prone should be addressed before deciding whether it should be legally allowed to be used as evidence and addressed in court as all evidence is if it is allowed.

I agree. I would add that they shouldn't even be allowed to use it as an investigative tool until all of the technological and legal implications of its use have been addressed.

I'd hate to live in your world Scooter.

I live in a world where we don't always tend to look before we leap where new technology is concerned, and where trying to address the potential pitfalls after said technology is already in widespread use is rather like trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle. I also live in a world where, unless restrained from doing so, by law or otherwise, police will tend to jump on anything that appears to make their job easier, without regard for whether it actually helps them do their job better, or for the innocent lives they may wantonly destroy in the process.

And like it or not, that is the world you live in, too.

[Gob]

I spy: are smart doorbells creating a global surveillance network?

[Econoline]

This paragraph (from Gob's link) is most important:

“Police forces do not have access to Ring customers’ devices, recorded videos or live streams,” a spokesperson told me. “Police in the UK only have access to customers’ video recordings if a customer chooses to download and share them. Customers are in total control of the information they choose to share.”

I'm pretty sure this is the case in the US too. (Joe?) As long as this doesn't change, I see no problem with the existence of the Ring* and other doorbell cameras.


*(as long as Sauron doesn't get it back)

[Joe Guy]

This paragraph (from Gob's link) is most important:

“Police forces do not have access to Ring customers’ devices, recorded videos or live streams,” a spokesperson told me. “Police in the UK only have access to customers’ video recordings if a customer chooses to download and share them. Customers are in total control of the information they choose to share.”

I'm pretty sure this is the case in the US too. (Joe?) As long as this doesn't change, I see no problem with the existence of the Ring* and other doorbell cameras......[/i]

Yes. It's really no different than if you record something on your phone camera or any other camera. I'd have to save the file and send it to the police in order for them to see it.

Also, the videos only are accessible for 60 days* and then automatically deleted. So, I have to save any that I would want to keep for a longer time.

* I said 90 days in another post but I checked and it's only 60.