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dgs49 wrote:With all the positive things one can read about Lincoln, the one negative that is never mentioned is that the Civil War was an unprecedented waste of lives and resources, and he could have prevented it (albeit with an indefinite extension of slavery). History records that then - as now - the opposing political sides had reached a point where compromise appeared impossible, and war came.

But the adulation of Lincoln presumes that no diplomatic solution was possible, and that is an unknown. Considering him our greatest president (which many do) ignores this total failure to resolve our differences without bloodshed. Had he personally decided to support the South's right to secede, there would have been no war, and slavery would have died of its own economic weight within a generation. Slaves would have, one by one, been emancipated because it simply made no economic sense to keep them. Would they be better off today or worse off? Who knows?
Utter bilge. The Southern Confederacy was established Feb 4 1861 - before Lincoln was inaugurated. South Carolina December 20, 1860; Mississippi January 9, 1861; Florida January 10, 1861; Alabama January 11, 1861; Georgia January 19, 1861; Louisiana January 26, 1861; Texas February 1, 1861 all seceded BECAUSE Lincoln won the election and the Republican administration was never going to stand for the extension of slavery into western territories. They did not do this because of anything he did, said or said he would or would not do.

His first inaugural was March 4 1861 when he became president. He specifically stated that he would not interfere with slavery in any state where it existed; he would accept the Corwin Amendment, already approved by both houses, which would have made slavery constitutional in those states; he would not start any war although he was constitutionally bound to resist the taking of United States property etc.; he even promised not to assign northern names to southern offices (such as postal) but would rather leave the posts vacant to avoid aggravation.

This is the man who said if he would win the war by freeing all, some or none of the slaves then that's what he would do.

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He also killed alot of pescky Vampires...
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Thinking about it I guess killed was the wrong word...dispatched...yeah that's the ticket...
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Utter bilge. The Southern Confederacy was established Feb 4 1861 - before Lincoln was inaugurated. South Carolina December 20, 1860; Mississippi January 9, 1861; Florida January 10, 1861; Alabama January 11, 1861; Georgia January 19, 1861; Louisiana January 26, 1861; Texas February 1, 1861 all seceded BECAUSE Lincoln won the election and the Republican administration was never going to stand for the extension of slavery into western territories. They did not do this because of anything he did, said or said he would or would not do.

His first inaugural was March 4 1861 when he became president. He specifically stated that he would not interfere with slavery in any state where it existed; he would accept the Corwin Amendment, already approved by both houses, which would have made slavery constitutional in those states; he would not start any war although he was constitutionally bound to resist the taking of United States property etc.; he even promised not to assign northern names to southern offices (such as postal) but would rather leave the posts vacant to avoid aggravation.

This is the man who said if he would win the war by freeing all, some or none of the slaves then that's what he would do.
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Okay, that made coffee come out my nose! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Watched the movie "Lincoln" last night.

They should have called it "Amendment 13".

Lincoln got killed...
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I finally watched it, or tried to. DLL was terrific. The movie put me to sleep. Twice. The again, I wasn't a huge fan of Doris' book in the first place. She's no David McCullough.
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I got to watch it on the plane from Joburg to Dubai. Not the best of circumstances but indeed DLL's imagining of Lincoln seemed to me to be nothing less than genius. The voice pitch was spot on (as far as we can know and Lincoln did have a high voice) but the way Day-Lewis walked, drooped his shoulders... he made Lincoln seem even taller when he was tired and shrunken by the weight of duty and premonition. Sally Field did wonderfully well also.

It was almost as good as "Hitchcock" and better than "Life of Pi"

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I wasn't impressed with Life of Pi... mainly because I was expecting a documentary about Wigan.

The last movie that greatly upset me by not being a documentary was Killing Bono.
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Groooooooaaan!!

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Sean wrote:I wasn't impressed with Life of Pi... mainly because I was expecting a documentary about Wigan.

The last movie that greatly upset me by not being a documentary was Killing Bono.
In that case, wouldn't the first one have been "Life of Pier"?
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Nope, they love their pies in that there Wigan...
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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Well exactly - wasn't that why Orwell wrote The Road to Wigan Pie-r? Or was that Pie-r squared?
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One day a Wigan man decided to retire...
He booked himself on a Caribbean cruise and proceeded to have the time of his life, that is, until the ship sank.
He soon found himself on an island with no other people, no supplies, nothing, only bananas and coconuts.
After about four months, he is lying on the beach one day when the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen rows up to the shore.
In disbelief, he asks, "Where did you come from? How did you get here?"
She replies, "I rowed over from the other side of the island where I landed when my cruise ship sank.."
"Amazing," he notes... "You were really lucky to have a row boat wash up with you."
"Oh, this thing?" explains the woman. "I made the boat out of some raw material I found on the island. The oars were whittled from
gum tree branches. I wove the bottom from palm tree branches, and the sides and stern came from a Eucalyptus tree."
"But, where did you get the tools?"
"Oh, that was no problem," replied the woman. "On the south side of the island, a very unusual stratum of alluvial rock is exposed. I found that if I fired it to a certain temperature in my kiln, it melted into ductile iron, I used that to make tools and used the tools to make the hardware."
The guy is stunned.
"Let's row over to my place," she says. So, after a short time of rowing, she soon docks the boat at a small wharf.
As the man looks to shore, he nearly falls off the boat.. Before him is a long stone walk leading to a cabin and treehouse.
While the woman ties up the rowboat with an expertly woven hemp rope, the man can only stare ahead, dumb struck. As they walk into
the house, she says casually, "It's not much, but I call it home. Sit down, please."
"Would you like a drink?"
"No! No thank you," the man blurts out, still dazed.. "I can't take another drop of coconut juice"
"It's not coconut juice" winks the woman, "I have a still, how would you like a Tropical Spritz?"
Trying to hide his continued amazement, the man accepts, and they sit down on her couch to talk..
After they exchange their individual survival stories, the woman announces, "I'm going to slip into something more
comfortable. Would you like to take a shower and shave? There's a razor in the bathroom cabinet upstairs."
No longer questioning anything, the Wigan lad goes upstairs into the bathroom. There, in the cabinet is a razor made from a piece
of tortoise bone. Two shells honed to a hollow ground edge are fastened on to its end inside a swivel mechanism.
"This woman is amazing," he muses. "What's next?" When he returns, she greets him wearing nothing but some small flowers on tiny vines, each strategically positioned, she smelled faintly of gardenias. She then beckons for him to sit down next to her.
"Tell me," she begins suggestively, slithering closer to him, "We've both been out here for many months. You must have been lonely.
There's something I'm certain you feel like right now, something you've been longing for, right?" She stares into his eyes.
He can't believe what he's hearing. "You mean ..." he swallows excitedly as tears start to form in his eyes,
"You've made a pie oven?"
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Ah!

or in that other version:

"Tell me," she begins suggestively, slithering closer to him, "We've both been out here for many months. You must have been lonely.
Would you like to play around?" She stares into his eyes.

He can't believe what he's hearing. "You mean ..." he swallows excitedly as tears start to form in his eyes,
"You've got golf clubs in there?"
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