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Big RR wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:30 pm
Scooter--how do you decide when the use of a word is "appropriate"?
I think that's precisely why an appreciation of history and context is necessary. The reclamation of "queer", for example, is far from being universally accepted among LGBT people. I am careful about when and how I use it because I know that many people who have a brutal history with the word will never accept it, while others feel that it "includes" them in a way that is not achieved by any other term. There are some (usually) younger LGBT people who insist on using it even when they know that it gives offence to some (usually) older folks whose opinion they don't believe should matter anymore. With words that are that divisive within a community, while I would not say that "outsiders" should never use them, it would be exceedingly difficult for them to avoid giving offence without first gaining that appreciation for how history and context should nuance their use. Something that would be difficult to achieve without extensive experience within that community to see how the words are and are not being used.

Of course, if someone doesn't give a shit about what those who might be listening to them think, then they can do as they please. They just shouldn't be surprised if they need an emergency trip to the dentist afterwards.
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:07 pm
Scooter--does the Q officially refer to "Queer"; when the acronym (for want of a better word) forst came out I had learned it stood for "Questioning".
It does stand for questioning. If queer were to be used in that context, it would replace all of the letters, as an umbrella term referring all alternative sexualities. Another one of those things that someone presuming to use the word should have known.
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Thanks for the explanation, Scooter. I had forgotten that the Q originally stood for Questioning, which makes much more sense.

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There are some (usually) younger LGBT people who insist on using it even when they know that it gives offence to some (usually) older folks whose opinion they don't believe should matter anymore.


Interesting. It doesn't surprise me. My wife's boss was a (closeted) gay man (now in his late 70s) who had a relationship for over 40 years with a mn he always referred to as his "friend". Most people recognized they were a couple (they lived together during the 40 years), but he (really they) persisted in the fiction that they were only roomates, and most of us respected their privacy (I always treated them as a couple for parties, etc, but we usually posited it as a thought like "why don't you bring him with you--he's a good guy and everyone knows him..." Most of us had no real problem with this, but the only people who did were younger gay friends who complained a lot (I'd bet even to them); I defended it as their own business when they raised any comments to me, but I did think it was strange that other gay men were the only ones who had problems with the relationship as they chose to live it. I can understand some of their position (as I agree that being gay is not something which should be hidden), but I fail to understand how they could be as judgmental about them as they were (since what they chose to reveal about their own relationship was their own business).

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Scooter wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:19 pm
It does stand for questioning. If queer were to be used in that context, it would replace all of the letters, as an umbrella term referring all alternative sexualities. Another one of those things that someone presuming to use the word should have known.
Although your explanation is logical, it's not necessarily correct. If you do an internet search on 'LGBTQ' the 'Q' doesn't have a consistent definition.
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You're free to use whatever words you want. Just don't expect anyone in earshot to take the time to parse your intent and decide that your intended meaning is different from the thugs who used them while beating him with baseball bats and chains, lest you end up minus a few teeth.
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People often use LGBTQ+ to mean all of the communities included in the “LGBTTTQQIAA”:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Transsexual
2/Two-Spirit
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
https://ok2bme.ca/resources/kids-teens/ ... gbtq-mean/

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Gob wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:17 am
People often use LGBTQ+ to mean all of the communities included in the “LGBTTTQQIAA”:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Transsexual
2/Two-Spirit
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
https://ok2bme.ca/resources/kids-teens/ ... gbtq-mean/
How long before the furrys, zoosexuals, and NAMBLA start to feel left out and demand inclusion too?
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And Bill gets from homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia in one post. Probably a record.
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Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:25 pm
And Bill gets from homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia in one post. Probably a record.
All right, let me put YOU on the spot now.

Why is it still OK to see bestiality or pederasty as an abhorrent abomination against nature — but say the same thing about two guys having buttseks, or two girls going lickety-split, or a person declaring themself as some new variant of 'gender identity', and you'll find yourself condemned as a closed-mind Neanderthal, or worse?
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It's called consent, which neither children nor animals have the capacity to give. Same reason why fucking an unconscious girl is abhorrent, even though that's probably the only way you could succeed in getting any.
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Scooter wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:53 pm
It's called consent, which neither children nor animals have the capacity to give.
OK, children do not have the ability to give informed consent.  I'll accept that.  But if that same child then says that it thinks it's trans-gender, or gay, or not sure just what it is, then we are to accept without any question that this same person, who cannot give consent, sign contracts, etc. is absolutely and irrefutably correct in their own assessment of themselves?
Scooter wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:53 pm
Same reason why fucking an unconscious girl is abhorrent, even though that's probably the only way you could succeed in getting any.
Quite frankly, you seem to be more worried about my love life – past or present – than even I am.  I don't how many times you've made a snide remark or allegation about how any sexual partner of mine would have to be drunk, stoned, unconscious, or paid in advance.  The only other people who were so concerned as to whether I had gotten any, when I had last gotten it, or who I had gotten it from was the Red Cross, back when I was regularly donating blood.
(and BTW ... it's been a while, but back then at least four of the questions had to do 'having had sex with a male, even once'.  Wonder why they needed to know that??)
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:19 pm
if that same child then says that it thinks it's trans-gender, or gay, or not sure just what it is, then we are to accept without any question that this same person, who cannot give consent, sign contracts, etc. is absolutely and irrefutably correct in their own assessment of themselves?
No, medical science exists to evaluate those assessments and recommend a course of action, which until the child becomes an adult will never involve anything that cannot be undone.
Quite frankly, you seem to be more worried about my love life – past or present – than even I am.
It' would be pointless to worry about something that doesn't exist.
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