The androgynous male in the first pic looks more like a pre-pubescent girl than the pre-pubescent girl in the last pic?
Classic!
The girl has bigger boobs and better curves, 'eh? She's entered puberty. Not that you'll find her on the cover of a magazine, these days either.
Scooter wrote:
The Hen wrote:The bottom line remains, anyone who wants this photograph banned is really quite immature.
Or perhaps is a gordita who is jealous because he makes a more attractive woman than she does.
LOL I've no where said I've found him remotely attractive; that was rather my point he doesn't look womanly to me at all. His shape is all angles, and possesses no curves. I can see he's trying for feminine, but without any roundness the closest he gets is girlish. I can see how you might find that attractive, though.
Besides, it was Gob who said ban it, the magazines are censoring it the same way they do other skin magazines with a wrap. In fact, at the local Kwik-E-Mart, even the skin magazines don't have bare chested women on the covers. There may be a lot of side boob, and the 'simulated nudity' clothing but no full frontal, like this shot.
Oh no, I'm just amusing myself while I wait for you to inform me of anyone outside of your twisted mind who would compare the pic in the OP to a pre-pubescent girl.
You don't get off that lightly... As I said elsewhere twatbusting is a great hobby of mine.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
Boys-dressed-as-girls to sell women's clothing is hardly the only misogynistic trend in fashion. Designers and editors have tried to get us all to look like stick-thin, prepubescent girls for years to fit their idea of what a fashionable woman should look like.
A double take may be necessary at first, because these photos of Andrej Pejic by Sabine Villiard may look like they capture the girlish charm of a prepubescent girl,
(TrendHunter.com)
~Whew~, need I go on? This is getting tiring loading the volume. Just Google Andrej Pejic prepubescent girl, and you get 930 results ...and these are from his fans!
You might be done reading all that when I get back from work....
Scooter wrote:And yet the only quote you have provided that contains the words "pre-pubescent girls" does not make the claim that Andrej Pejic looks like one.
Oh yes. ok, it wasn't. However, it was heavily inferred...
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Actually no, it isn't. The author talks about two distinct things. One is the use of boys to sell women's clothes (e.g. Andrej Pejic). The other is the attempt by designers to get "us" (read: women) to look like pre-pubescent girls. The author makes no attempt to equate one with the other, other than to identify both of them as "misogynistic trends".
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
How is the law even implicated in this, as one poster has suggested?
A couple of businesses have taken it upon themselves to present this magazine in a slipcover, out of misplaced prudishness inherent to our messed up society.
This magazine - the cover on it - is in no way unlawful.
Speaking of misplaced prudishness; my BF turned on IFC last night - a non-pay channel on his basic cable package - and dialed up Bad Lieutenant with Harvey Kietel. We both love Harvey, so we thought we'd give it a look. The movie graphically depicts the brutal rape of a nun, multiple occasions of full frontal nudity of females and males (Kietel's junk on full display), drug use, profanity, murder and the sexual assault of two young women by a police officer.
It aired at 8:35pm.
And this magazine needs to be censored?
WTF?
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
It's the same mentality that caused some retailers to cover up the People magazine cover of Elton John, David Furnish and their new baby the same way they would have treated the latest issue of "Ass Licking Butt Sluts". The message they are sending is that there is something pornographic about a picture of two men and their baby (the subtext clearly being that these men are looking to be something more than fathers to that kid). And while they deemed the People cover too filthy for their customers to see, the same stores think nothing of displaying tabloids whose cover stories regale us with tales of the glitterati whoring around, getting wasted on a plethora of substances, and abusing their spouses and children.
Those who saw the picture of this model and thought "prepubescent girl' ought to examine what is going on in their own twisted minds that would have caused them to make that leap, because clearly they are seeing some fantasy they secretly wish to live out.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Scooter wrote:
Those who saw the picture of this model and thought "prepubescent girl' ought to examine what is going on in their own twisted minds that would have caused them to make that leap, because clearly they are seeing some fantasy they secretly wish to live out.
Nailed it.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
So, no one googled the 930 responses, as suggested, since I had to leave for work? Very well...
Crop off his head with your hand and you have a very clear male body. Obviously he is supposed to be feminized because of the rollers in his hair and visible make up, but he is still obviously a man. The point of this picture is to cross genders. They could chosen to completely feminize him by covering his chest. That would at least allow for an illusion of female secondary sexual traits.
I am saying that the fact that they are apparently able to completely feminize him by only putting rollers in his hair is hosed up. No one should be able to confuse him with a woman. Real women may be flat chested or have no hips but the only people with that combo of shoulders/chest/waist are men or prepubescent girls. Even transwomen who transition very late will begin to develop secondary female traits after they begin their treatment.
Look at him from the neck down. If his ribs weren't visible, it could be an abercrombie (or any other chain that doesn't necessarily require its models to have a six pack) ad.
The only reason I can think of that this body could be confused with a woman's is that his ribs are visible and the current obsession with impossibly thin women. However those women still have secondary sex traits so I guess maybe it is an obsession with prepubescent girls.
I would say that designers sometimes go for the prepubescent look, the androgynous look, the bi-sexual, the skeletal look, and even the genderless look, to shock us into noticing their clothes. Then, we notice the models – who all appear to have come out of the same clone mill, where even the term Reduced Fat is a considered a profanity.
Whatever’s next? A thin male model in a wedding gown? Someone who looks like a Klingon, only with make-up slapped on more artistically? Oops! I’d almost forgotten Andrej Pejic and Andre J.
So then we put the young boy in women's clothes and freak out once again. So Andrej Pejic is being sexualized--or worse, fetishized--as a woman. He's doing it willingly because he enjoys it, but I guess I just hope that the kid has a career once the modeling industry defaults back to prepubescents. Because if my favorite Vogue Turkey editorial and its impeccable styling prove anything, he's got a damn beautiful face and longevity under the Veronica Lake waves.
The Hen wrote:Back on topic ... it is ludicrous that anyone would ban a topless photograph of a man becuase they thought it looked like a pre-pubescent girl.
...but that's what happened.
Dossier's Andrej Pejic Cover Censored By Barnes & Noble, Borders
(My bold)
Still waiting for you to back this up. I doubt that the bloggers and forum members you quoted actually hold much influence over Barnes & Noble.
Scooter wrote:Those who saw the picture of this model and thought "prepubescent girl' ought to examine what is going on in their own twisted minds that would have caused them to make that leap, because clearly they are seeing some fantasy they secretly wish to live out.
Beautifully put Scoot!
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
To add: in researching this, it astounds me to discover that the fashion industry is willing to go to the extreme of promoting the [unattainable] 'prepubescent figure' by hiring low-body-fat males, to represent women. Anorexic wasn't enough; the sexuality characteristics had to be removed entirely, in order to move the goal posts further out of reach of the gullible consumer public, so that the industry could profit from social/female insecurity. We can't be women anymore, to be attractively thin, is it?
