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OR: Disney dumps the chick flicks!



I’d been disgruntle about the Princess-line of crap from Disney from the start. What I’d heard was, one their executives (a white, middle-aged MAN) was walking down the Disneyland Main Street and seemed to think there wasn’t much merchandise for girls. [huh?] From there, he talked the company into doing the whole ‘Princess’ marketing- by dumbing down nearly every female heroine Disney had!

‘Beauty and the Beast’ was first animated film to be nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture, with Belle being praised as one of the most intelligent, bright women that the studio had ever portrayed.
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The library foundations quickly took to using her character to promoting reading to children.

Only now Disney has taken away her books, and her look is doe-eyed and vapid.
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Oh my, is that cleavage?

Tiana, the frog princess, looks down right sultry in some poses; which is kinda creepy considering her green gown is the one she was married in.
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Does anyone care how determined and hard-working she is?




However, I’m happy to report in the real world, that tactic isn’t working;


Disney restyles 'Rapunzel' to appeal to boys

With 'The Princess and the Frog' coming up short at the box office, the studio retools its next animated feature to lose the girly taint. Now it's called 'Tangled,' with a swashbuckling male lead.
COMPANY TOWN
March 09, 2010|By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Claudia Eller
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Disney is wringing the pink out of its princess movies.

After the less-than-fairy-tale results for its most recent animated release, "The Princess and the Frog," executives at the Burbank studio believe they know why the acclaimed movie came up short at the box office.

Brace yourself: Boys didn't want to see a movie with "princess" in the title.

This time, Disney is taking measures to ensure that doesn't happen again. The studio renamed its next animated film with the girl-centric name "Rapunzel" to the less gender-specific "Tangled."
The makeover of "Rapunzel" is more than cosmetic. Disney can ill afford a moniker that alienates half the potential audience, young boys, who are needed to make an expensive family film a success.
"We did not want to be put in a box," said Ed Catmull, president of Pixar and Disney Animation Studios, explaining the reason for the name change. "Some people might assume it's a fairy tale for girls when it's not. We make movies to be appreciated and loved by everybody."
So Disney is taking no chances with "Tangled," positioned to take advantage of holiday family moviegoing when it opens Nov. 24. The studio's marketing campaign will amp up the role of the dashing Errol Flynn-styled male lead to share the spotlight with the golden-haired namesake of the classic Brothers Grimm story. Hints of swashbuckling action are already being leaked online.
"In our film, the infamous bandit Flynn Rider meets his match in the girl with the 70 feet of magical golden hair," wrote the film's producer, Roy Conli, on Disney Animation's Facebook page. "We're having a lot of fun pairing Flynn, who's seen it all, with Rapunzel, who's been locked away in a tower for 18 years."
Flynn Rider, of course, is nowhere to be found in the original "Rapunzel" story.
In the Grimm tale, a prince riding through a forest is enticed by Rapunzel's sweet singing and climbs up the tower where the imprisoned girl is reachable only by her golden tresses. The prince is hardly the boastful swordsman type, let alone a charming rogue. And in Disney's latest version, the demure princess is transformed into a feisty teen.
Disney hopes the introduction of the slightly bad-boy character will help it tap the broadest possible audience for "Tangled," emulating the success of its corporate sibling, Pixar. Pixar's movies have been huge hits because they appeal to girls, boys and adults. Its most recent release, "Up," grossed more than $700 million worldwide.

I’ll be so glad when this is over;
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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I always like the 1937 Snow White.

Sexist ancient troglydyte that I am. :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Well, Snow White was never meant to be complicated. That was Walt Disney's first animated feature film, and he was more concerned about the production, than the character development. In fact, in the 'Princess' series, she had to be updated, aged if you will; because in her first screen portrayal she was just a child. While later princesses were at least in their teens, Snow White had the proportions of pre-adolescent; with a larger head in proportion to her body.
Frankly, she acted a lot like a kid too, ya know. ;)

Did you you Snow White was also originally intended to be a blond? but her voice actress impressed Walt so much he had the image changed to a dark brunette to match her.

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Lo--her voice actress? I always thought that the woman who provided her voice (at least for singing) was one of the worst singers i ever heard.

As for the princesses, I do think that the later characters (Belle from Beauty and the Beast, Jasmine from Aladdin, and Ariel from The Little Mermaid) were, within Disney standards, portrayed as fairly outspoken, rebellious, and intelligent young women who stood up to adversity and faced danger alone, without the need for a man to protect them. Certainly they all had a "love" interest, but none of them were the perfect man in the "Prince Charming" mode (or even the avuncular dwarfs); indeed, the men were all fairly disfunctional individuals who needed the women beside them to face adversity. In a lot of ways this represented a departure from the traditional sexist roles portrayed in the first three films, where the women just pined and waited to be taken away from all their troubles by Prince Charming. I know my girls responded more favorably to the spunky, smart princesses, than to the passive (or reactive) Snow white, Sleeping Beauty, or Cndarella, even though IMHO these stories were much better crafted (especially Snow White, which had some truly horrifying scenes).

I'm not a real fan of Disney and their efforts to sell more and more crap to target audiences, and I haven't been a fan of many of the movies--I do not like how the traditional fairy tales wee sanitized in the earlier films, or the poorly written later ones, but I do think the later princesses reflect a more modern sensibility to appeal to girls who no longer just dream of being taken away from all their troubles by their Prince Charming.

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indeed, the men were all fairly disfunctional individuals who needed the women beside them to face adversity.
In other words, in keeping with the entirety of the entertainment industry that has been in backlash mode over Father Knows Best for the last 40 years. I think it might have started with All in the Family, but the father in any sitcom is invariably a buffoon who would do nothing with his life unless his wife were to prod him with demeaning sarcasm.

I do not like how the traditional fairy tales wee sanitized in the earlier films
Those original fairy tales were downright gruesome. But it was explained to me that they were not written for children but rather were intended for adults and were to act as parables against poor parenting. Hanzel and Gretel for example.
A sufficiently copious dose of bombast drenched in verbose writing is lethal to the truth.

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In other words, in keeping with the entirety of the entertainment industry that has been in backlash mode over Father Knows Best for the last 40 years. I think it might have started with All in the Family, but the father in any sitcom is invariably a buffoon who would do nothing with his life unless his wife were to prod him with demeaning sarcasm.
I don't think so; I just think the men were more realistically protrayed than the omnipotent/omniscient Prince Chamrings who had no real personalaities but were supposed to be perfection personnified.

As for sitcoms, the bumbling man/dad started long before All in the Familiy. Look at the Blondie movies. Or the Honeymooners. Or (shudder) Gomer Pyle.

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Yup BigRR, that was my beef; that the marketing strategy done after the movies, did the characters (and the kid's who loved them) and injustice.

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How come there is never a mother in Disney films? Only the dad and perhaps the "evil stepmother".

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Bambi had a mother for half the film. Dumbo had one for the whole film (but no father as I recall; you know those elephants). So did the Darling children in Peter Pan and Alice in Alice in Wonderland. I think Sleeping Beauty may also have had a mother.

My guess as to why so many fairy tales involve absent (or dead) mothers is because this is a childhood fear, loss of the parent who most cares for you. Face it, the men are no great shakes either, they go from being married to Joan of Arc to harpies who abandon their kids in the woods (Snow white) or turn them into slaves (Cindarella--OK, he might have been dead then), or fathers who get so threatened by their daughters developing atraction to men they go into fits of rage (Little Mermaid) or certified loons (Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin). Bambi's dad and Gepetto (the German with the italian name) probably get Disney father of the year honors, and neither are all that great.

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Agreed
Bambi's dad and Gepetto (the German with the italian name) probably get Disney father of the year honors, and neither are all that great.
Wasn't pinnochio written/thought of in Florence italy? I know they were peddling all kinds of Pinnochio puppets when I was there a few years ago? I even bought one. :lol:

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Yep, Pinocchio was an italian story; for some reason, Disney drew Gepetto as a German and gave him a German accent, but kept the Italian name. Well, they were on the same side during the war...

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:lol:

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Dumbo's father was Jumbo the Elephant; his real name was Jumbo Jr.

Found this about Snow White;
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The design and characterization of Snow White was influenced by both the heroine of traditional European romantic fairy tales and the popular Hollywood heroine. Early designs showing Snow White with blond hair suggest Eugene Grasset's depiction of the goddess of spring in Le Printemps as another influence; like Disney's Snow White, Grasset's goddess is closely connected to nature, and, as in one of Grasset's studies for the piece, Snow White entertains animals with music.
...While Adriana Caselotti (her vocie) was a brunette.

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Lo--was Jumbo a character in that cartoon?

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Guess not, but he was mentioned, his mother was referred to as 'Mrs. Jumbo.'

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Wouldn't she be Mrs Jumbo Jr?

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I think Lo meant Dumbo's real name was Jumbo Jr; she'd only be Mrs Jumbo Jr. if Dumbo was a mother......

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Oh ?!?!?!? :o
Never mind

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Was at the movies this weekend and saw the first 'Tangled' (former known as 'Rapunzel') trailer... in which she barely even speaks! How the pendulum has swung! Flynn narrates the whole time, as if this is a story about he and his merry band of thieves, while Rapunzel is referred to only as 'that girl'. Glimpses and short clips indicate she has no other redeeming quality than really long (perhaps magical) tresses.
Oh, it looks like it will be fabulous, with good pacing, characters, dialogue and action (not to mention state-of-the-art animation to add 'luminosity') ...but girly is gone!


Could that be removed from Dora, next please?

Disney's not the only one to think girls should only be girly. Dora the Explorer, started out as an explorer and educator. She was smart, resourceful and demonstrated admirable leadership qualities ...how dare she! Suddenly, she was yanked from the expeditions, replaced with 'Diego the Adventurer' and made to attend tea parties as a <gag> 'princess'.
I'll never understand this, Latinas don't have 'Tea Parties', we have backyard buffets with beer on ice. We don't touch tea, but brew bitter coffee as part of the hang-over cure!

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