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Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:55 pm
by Gob
The luxury of seeing a doctor
By Claire Bolderson BBC News, Kentucky
Healthcare reform is President Obama's signature piece of domestic legislation, and also his most controversial, with strong political opposition and continuing legal challenges. But millions have signed up for "Obamacare" in its first year, gaining access to medical care they previously could not afford.
Liberty Sizemore leans back in her chair and beams. The 26-year-old filling station cashier has just been told her enrolment in Obamacare is complete.
Now she can have her first routine doctor's appointment for seven years.
"I am so happy," says Sizemore as she waits at the Grace Community Health Centre in Clay County, Kentucky, "I've not had insurance since I turned 19."
But Sizemore is also nervous. She is seriously overweight and was warned in her teens that she was likely to develop diabetes. Without health insurance she has not been able to afford tests or check-ups to see if she has indeed got the disease.
"I'll go to the hospital only in an emergency," says Sizemore, who is still paying off the $10,000 bill for removing her appendix two years ago.
"That's what's on my credit card right now," she sighs, "hospital bills."
Sizemore is one of 421,000 people in Kentucky who've signed up since the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, widely known as Obamacare, came into force last October.
Like many, she now qualifies for Medicaid, the government programme that pays for health care for the poorest Americans. Under the new law, the federal government offers states money to expand Medicaid so that many more people on very low wages, like Liberty Sizemore, are covered.
There are also federal funds for new state insurance exchanges where Americans can shop for private plans. Some plans are heavily subsidised by the government, depending on the applicant's income level.
Kentucky is one of a minority of states - and the only one in the South - to have taken Washington's money and embraced all the reforms.
But it has done it without embracing the man after whom they are named.
"The president is not all that popular in the state," says Democratic Governor Steven Beshear, pointing to Mr Obama's 34% approval rating in Kentucky (eight points below the latest national figure reported by Gallup). "So we don't talk about Obamacare," he explains.
Instead, officials talk enthusiastically about Kentucky's own insurance exchange, Kynect.
The governor believes the strategy has paid off. "They came in droves to sign up on the first day and it's been that way ever since."
And yet, misgivings about the biggest health reform in the US in 50 years persist - even among some of those who have benefitted most.
Hairdresser Sadie Smith has enrolled but, she hopes, only as a temporary measure. Her family's insurance disappeared when her husband lost his job. (Most Americans with health insurance get it through their job, with the employer and the worker sharing the cost).
As she puts the finishing touches to a customer's hair at her small salon in Manchester, Kentucky, Smith says she is grateful for Obamacare. But, she is uneasy. "It scares me. The government wants to control everybody - their finances, their insurance, it all comes back to control."
Similar sentiments about government control are behind objections to another Obamacare rule: everyone must have some form of health insurance or risk being fined.
Others are angry that private insurance plans they were happy with are being withdrawn because they do not meet Obamacare standards. New rules say insurance plans must cover a broader range of care, including many preventative tests.
"They've caused more people to lose their insurance than they helped gain," says Robert Stivers, the Republican President of Kentucky's state Senate. Senator Stivers believes insurance premiums are going to go up dramatically "because of these mandated coverages".
He also worries about the long-term cost to the state. The federal government is picking up the bill for the subsidised parts of Obamacare at the moment. But Kentucky will have to start contributing up to 10%, starting in 2017.
Unlike many of his Republican colleagues in Kentucky and Washington DC, Senator Stivers is not calling for outright repeal of Obamacare. "What we are looking for is a reasonable alternative," he says. That includes rolling back the expanded Medicaid coverage and subsidies, and eliminating all the mandates.
But governor Steven Beshear thinks that's unlikely. "We now have 421,000 Kentuckians who are also voters signed up for the law and liking what they are getting," he says.
And the Governor suggests opponents of Obamacare face a predicament. "They want to be critical of the president and his administration, but at the same time they want those 421,000 votes," he says, "so they're not going to take away that coverage from those folks."
Benita Adams may be one of the people the Governor has in mind. The 62-year-old grandmother lives on the edge of the rolling Appalachian Mountains in eastern Kentucky. She owns her home but works two jobs as a dental assistant to make ends meet. She did not vote for President Obama.
Adams has had no health insurance since her divorce 30 years ago. A recent heart operation left her with a $67,000 bill. Although the hospital waved around half of that, she still pays $50 a month to clear the rest.
"I used to say, if I get hurt just let me be killed because I can't afford to pay any more hospital bills," she says.
But Adams no longer has to worry. Under Obamacare, she qualifies for a private insurance plan with a hefty government subsidy that covers the monthly payments in full.
"Everyone was mad over Obamacare but it's just wonderful, it's really helping people," Adams says as she lists the medical appointments she has been to since getting insured.
Of course, Mr Obama cannot run for the Presidency again. But if he could, would Adams vote for him? "I'd sure think about it" she says, "It's the best thing he's done."
Liberty Sizemore, waiting for her blood test results at the Grace Community Health Centre, feels the same. As the Nurse Practitioner delivers the good news, she lets out a long sigh.
Sizemore is close to being diabetic but does not yet have the disease. Her voice trembles as she says quietly, "That's a lot of relief." Then as the nurse gives advice on turning her health around, Sizemore starts to cry.
"I was so worried," she says. "But now I can get better because I have a doctor. I have a doctor and that's a relief off my shoulders, more than you can know."
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:47 am
by BoSoxGal
People are loving the ACA far more than they are hating it - you'll notice the Tea Partiers and Republicans have quit screaming about a repeal.
They will keep trying to damage it via litigation, but I suspect that the American people are going to grow fonder and fonder of accessible healthcare, and someday soon the consensus will be to push forward to a single-payer system, so corporate 'people' can't influence health coverage due to their 'sincerely held religious beliefs.'

Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:57 am
by Lord Jim
People are loving the ACA far more than they are hating it
Well, not exactly:
Favorables for Obamacare Tie Low for the Year
Monday, July 14, 2014
Favorable views of the national health care law now tie their low for the year, but more voters than ever say the law has had no impact on them.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 39% of Likely U.S. Voters share a favorable opinion of the health care law, while 54% view it unfavorably.
This includes 13% with a Very Favorable opinion and 38% with a Very Unfavorable one. [that's about a three to one advantage of "hate" over "love"
] (To see survey question wording, click here.)
(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on July 11-12, 2014 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... h_care_law
The White House needs to make a decision soon on whether ObamaCare's controversial employer mandate will take effect in 2015.
With the mandate set to take effect in January, businesses are awaiting final world from the administration on whether they will be required to track and report how many of their employees are receiving coverage.
Federal officials are late in delivering the final forms and technical guidance necessary for firms to comply, raising suspicions the mandate could once again be delayed.
The mandate has been pushed back twice before, the first time in late summer.
The delays to the mandate have angered House Republicans, who are now taking President Obama to court for what they say is his refusal to follow the letter of the law.
Another delay to the mandate would be sure to create a political firestorm and draw charges that the administration is playing politics with ObamaCare ahead of the midterm elections.
But support for the mandate on the left has begun to soften in recent months, with influential figures and former Obama administration officials questioning whether it’s needed to make the law work.
Seven business lobbyists interviewed by The Hill said it is unlikely the administration would defer the employer mandate wholesale one more time, given the intense political pressure from Republicans.
But many groups are expecting partial relief to be announced prior to November, perhaps in the form of looser reporting requirements that would be easier to follow.
"I'd be shocked if they did another [full] delay … but it wouldn't surprise me if something else came out before the election," said one source who requested anonymity in order to speak freely.
Almost one year ago, the Obama administration announced it would postpone enforcement of the mandate until 2015.
The move was denounced as politically driven, given that businesses were warning they were likely to layoff and cut hours for workers once they were required to either provide healthcare coverage or pay a fine.
The White House angered conservatives again in February by allowing medium-sized businesses to avoid penalties under the mandate until 2016.
Read more:
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/21 ... z384GmLyjC
Gee whiz, given how great this is, you'd think the administration would be champing at the bit to fully implement it before the election so they can reap the political benefits, rather than doing everything they can to avoid it...
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:17 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
but more voters than ever say the law has had no impact on them.
A big "YET" needs to be added to that sentence.
I still have not seen the numbers on who has paid (those that really have coverage) as the "back end" of the exchange is still not up and running. You know, that part of the exchange that links those that sign up with the insurance carriers and the IRS and any other agency that needs the data to check and see if they are eligable for subsidies, and if the insurance bills the person or the gov is paying.
And there were some 30-40 million uninsured before Obamacare (not counting those that had to scramble and find new plans becuase of Obamacare). Have even half of them enrolled?
The whole scheme and rollout has been "terrible" to put it nicely.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:44 pm
by rubato
90%
Try googling it
Acasigmups.net
Yet?
Yrs,
Rubato
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:57 pm
by Lord Jim
Acasigmups.net
Server not found
You must have been involved in the website roll out...

Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:04 pm
by rubato
http://acasignups.net/14/05/27/ok-repub ... -have-paid
People who cared about the truth knew this four months ago.
It is like hearing the tobacco companies say ""the jury is still out an smoking vs lung cancer" ( magazine ad from the 1960s) or contemporary idiots say that global warming is unproven.
Only willful ignorance separates them from the truth. Or corruption.
Yrs,
Rubato
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:32 pm
by Lord Jim
Only willful ignorance separates them from the truth.
I've long assumed that
your separation from the truth was based on a combination of innate ignorance and a thoroughgoing contempt for it...
You seem to have an attitude towards "truth" similar to my attitude towards stepping in dog shit...
It is to the best of one's ability, to be always and everywhere avoided...
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:18 pm
by Long Run
but more voters than ever say the law has had no impact on them.
A big "YET" needs to be added to that sentence.
Some people in the individual policy market have come out ahead (the "winners" and "losers" noted in previous threads). Most who sign up are either fully paid or partially paid by tax revenues; so basically they are part of a new/expanded welfare program. Further, there are substantial hidden taxes, fees and risk sharing that are assessed against group plans, providers and others, which have the impact of raising the cost of existing policies (whether paid by the employer, the employer or both). As a result, all of those who say the law has had no impact on them simply do not know that they are paying more for the same coverage than they would have without the law, and are paying higher taxes to support those who are subsidized.
One can make the argument these income transfers (taxes for one group to subsidize coverage for a smaller group) are worthwhile to increase the number covered. However, one suspects if everyone who is contributing to the subsidy knew how much more they were paying -- a truth in advertising that the government requires of most every organization except itself -- the law would be even less popular than it already is.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:54 am
by oldr_n_wsr
As a result, all of those who say the law has had no impact on them simply do not know that they are paying more for the same coverage than they would have without the law, and are paying higher taxes to support those who are subsidized.
Thank you Long Run for that. If I had taken that survey right now. ObamaCare would would have had no impact on me "directly". My healthcare is from the company I work for which had over 100 full timers so the ACA has not kicked in yet. Higher taxes in other areas of my life are "just" higher taxes. Where they are going toward, I have no idea. But if they target questions to say that tax X is to pay for subsidy Y, then we may get real answers.
I still would like to see the numbers of how many of the 30-40 million who were not insured (which this whole fiasco was aimed at) who have actually signed up and gotten insurance (aka paid either from their own pocket or from gov help). So far I see no numbers.
rubato, want to give me a graph for that?
I'm good at graphs
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:27 pm
by Big RR
and are paying higher taxes to support those who are subsidized.
Has there been a federal income tax increase to pay for ACA? I haven't seen it.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:37 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Big RR wrote:and are paying higher taxes to support those who are subsidized.
Has there been a federal income tax increase to pay for ACA? I haven't seen it.
Neither have I.
But you know there are other taxes that will be needed to pay for it.
Nothing is free.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:42 pm
by Long Run
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php
Old'r is exactly right, nothing is for free. Let's take just one of the taxes, the medical devices tax. The medical device maker pays the tax and then passes that cost onto the payer, which is usually an insurance company. The insurance company passes the increased cost onto the policy payers, which is mostly the employers. The employers, paying higher premiums due to the tax, then pay their employees less than they otherwise would (unless they are able to pass the added employee costs onto their customers, who then pay more; and in either case, either the employee or the consumer end up paying the cost of the medical device tax). Rinse and repeat with all of the other taxes.
And even with all of the taxes, there will not be enough to cover the costs, which means general tax revenues will pay for a chunk of the law's expenses. Will there be a tax increase? Probably, eventually. In the meantime, it is just more debt and reduced spending elsewhere in the budget.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:10 pm
by Lord Jim
Old'r is exactly right, nothing is for free.
What's the matter with you guys? Haven't you heard of The Healthcare Fairy?
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:14 pm
by Big RR
I, for one, would be happy if taxes were raised to pay for this--there is no free benefit and people should come to terms with that as well as the fact that they should be responsible for their own healthcare insurance. Perpetuating the system that employers continue to pay for it disguises this and makes people less aware of what it costs. I would prefer employers be taken out of the equation, but I think it impractical as most employers would not agree to give their employees the amounts they are paying into healthcare currently, but I would hope we eventually get to that point. Right now increasing the deficit to cover anything the US chips in hides this as well and should be avoided.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:33 pm
by Sue U
Healthcare in the U.S. would cost a whole lot less if we took the insurance companies out of it and made it a single-payer national health system. As has been pointed out here repeatedly, the "costs" of healthcare are often frankly imaginary, completely untethered to any economic reality in a rigged game between providers and insurers that ends up putting virtually all of the bills back on the "insureds." Consider that nearly half of all people in the US actually spend virtually nothing on healthcare every year (maybe a couple of PCP visits). Yet the top five health insurers alone rake in profits (not revenue) in excess of $15 billion annually. All other industrialized countries spend far less per person in their national health systems.
There's more than enough money sloshing around in healthcare to pay for genuinely universal coverage, with substantial cash left over. Long Run's example of the medical device tax "increasing costs to everyone" is ludicrous in every way but a technicality: even assuming such a tax is fully passed through to policy holders rather than being absorbed or mitigated at other levels, when spread across the entire population the amount of cost increase would still be virtually undetectable.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:51 pm
by Gob
Maybe you should go with Andrew's idea and start charging the rest of the world for the "peace provision" you so generously give for free now. That would more than cover your healthcare costs. Mind you, without those services it may risk fighting breaking out in places like Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel....
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:12 pm
by Big RR
Sue--while I agree wit you about removing the profit motive of insurers and also about the desirability of single payer, there will never be enough money unless and until we can also flex our muscle and negotiate aggressively with the providers and the pharmaceutical companies to lower costs; there is absolutely no reason why persons in western Europe should pay substantially less than we do for drugs (especially since the EMEA approval is as torturous as the FDA approval process). But so long as the costs are hidden and not out in the open, the people won't demand that. If people pay directly for their insurance, they will demand more accountability; until then, a lot of people just won't care.
Re: Something the 1st world takes for granted.
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:44 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
That's why I come here. Ideas/opinions. Civility.
Thanks guys and gals. You have given me food for thought.
