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Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:11 am
by Joe Guy

In Tampa, Food Not Bombs activists arrested for feeding the homeless—again

Kate Bradshaw
Jan 7, 2017 10 PM

Temperatures were dipping into unfriendly territory Saturday afternoon as sports fans flocked to the events at Curtis Hixon Waterfront Park.

At nearby Lykes Gaslight Park, members of Tampa's homeless community were gathered for hot coffee and bagels, courtesy of the group Food Not Bombs.

There were no altercations, no illicit substances, no bad behavior—unless you count that, according to the City of Tampa, that coffee and bagels were illegal.

Why?

Because you have to have a special permit in order to offer free food to the needy in city parks. But obtaining a city permit to feed the homeless twice a week—to set up a table and open bags of chips and bagels and spoon organic beans and rice from a pot—can be pricey because of the insurance policy the city requires.

Given how often they do it (homeless people have to eat frequently, too), that can add up.

Volunteers with Food Not Bombs knew their actions were technically illegal. They had been warned about it earlier in the week.

And they did it anyway.

As a result, seven people were arrested. For feeding hungry people in a park.

Some were arrested still wearing the plastic gloves with which they served food.

When police arrived on the scene, they gave the activists three minutes to stop feeding those in need.

Then, they moved in, pulling the volunteers away as they continued to serve.

"Please help yourselves," one could be heard saying to those still gathered as he was dragged off.

A man who reached for a last-minute bagel was also arrested. (Watch a video of the arrests, courtesy of Erin Sauer, below).

In an email sent to press Saturday night, the group said it "has no plans to stop sharing food with the homeless and hungry and will continue to defy unjust laws that criminalize compassion and mutual aid."

That includes a planned gathering Tuesday at 8 a.m. in the same location.

"We intend to expose the city's cruelty in the face of thousands in our community who are struggling with issues of food insecurity, mental and medical health issues, poverty, and homelessness," a spokesperson for the group said in an email. "If the city will not address these problems, the least they can do is not get in the way and stop others from addressing these needs. Compassion should never be criminalized.

This isn't the first time activists with the group have been arrested for feeding the homeless, and Food Not Bombs isn't the only group to have been arrested in Tampa for feeding the homeless. Also, Tampa is not the only city in Florida in which it's illegal to feed the homeless without proper paperwork.

In Tampa, the group said it has done the same thing in the same park over 100 times with no trouble, and some suspect it has something to do with the College Football Playoff National Championship and related events taking place in Tampa throughout the weekend.
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Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:18 am
by RayThom
If the homeless would just go out and get a job all of this nonsense could be avoided.

Shamefully, some people are beyond motivation.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:35 am
by Joe Guy
I agree. Homeless people can't afford much, but most of them could afford to lose some weight. Food giveaways are set up for people who serve the food to feel good about themselves after all the sins they've committed. Job giveaways would be much more beneficial to society and decrease the vagrant population.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:58 am
by Gob
They were feeding the homeless bombs?

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:09 am
by Bicycle Bill
RayThom wrote:If the homeless would just go out and get a job all of this nonsense could be avoided.

Shamefully, some people are beyond motivation.
Of course, now that Trump has been elected there are all those new jobs hat he has brought back to the USA to be applied for.....provided you can pass a drug test, a criminal history test, and a "right to work in the USA" test.
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Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:23 pm
by rubato
Worse yet. Free clinics are required to use qualified and licensed MDs. What is the world coming to?


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rubato

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:41 pm
by Lord Jim
rubato wrote:Worse yet. Free clinics are required to use qualified and licensed MDs. What is the world coming to?


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rubato
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Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:55 pm
by Big RR
Ya think?

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:36 pm
by rubato
So neither of you grasp the idea that the protections of the law should apply equally to charity as well as paying customers? The parallel is direct.


"Food Not bombs" are acting knowingly as agents provocateurs in attempting to use the law to draw attention to the plight of the poor. It has been done before elsewhere, it is disingenuous in intent and will achieve nothing other than a little temporary attention for themselves. The fact is that we regulate those who prepare food in quantity to the general public to protect public health. Now we might be wrong about the utility of these regulations but if that is the case we should stop inspecting restaurants, dairies, and cheese factories altogether. Just as we should allow anyone to practice medicine.

It is an old trick. And they gotcha.

Have some queso fresco.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:53 pm
by Scooter
This isn't about trying to maintain food quality standards. This is about putting up barriers that make it too expensive to distribute free food, in order to dissuade anyone who has a mind to feed the homeless. If the city wanted them to get a $50 or $100 permit that would bring them under an inspection regimen to ensure the safety of the food they were distributing, that would be fine. But requiring them to buy insurance that no carrier is going to give them except for an exorbitant price, simply because they would view the "clientele" and neighbourhoods being served as "risky", is nothing but a sideways method of banning people from giving away food. Just because they didn't overtly ban the practice, as Fort Lauderdale did, doesn't make their true motivations any less transparent.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:37 pm
by rubato
To the best of my knowledge charity groups in the US, including churches, generally have liability insurance especially when they provide services to the general public

Most people who provide coverage would know that this is a client base who have almost no ability to sue.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:46 pm
by Big RR
I agree with Scooter--requiring insurance to distribute free food to persons who otherwise might not have enough to eat is the disingenuous policy, not offering food to people, even if a collateral benefit is to "draw attention to the plight of the poor" (is that somehow a bad thing?). Sure, some inspection and modest costs might be appropriate, but face it--Tampa just doesn't want "those people" in the parks where they just might be seen (and their numbers noticed); if they can't get this food, just let them eat cake. Or send them back to the alleys where they can eat uninspected garbage and where the rest of us don't have to see them.

And rubato--that is not always true, many churches run soup kitchens and pantries that are self insured precisely because the insurers don't draw that conclusion. I know we chose to do just that when we opened a food pantry; we have a basic liability policy for people entering the building, but no coverage if someone is injured by the goods they get. there is a limited charitable immunity, but otherwise we assume the risk.
To the best of my knowledge charity groups in the US, including churches, generally have liability insurance especially when they provide services to the general public

Most people who provide coverage would know that this is a client base who have almost no ability to sue.
What we have here is a requirement to obtain insurance because a public park is being used; I do not have the exact numbers, but I'd bet Tampa requires a pretty high limit policy; you can draw your own conclusions as to why they have done this, as have Scooter and I

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:52 pm
by Bicycle Bill
rubato wrote:To the best of my knowledge charity groups in the US, including churches, generally have liability insurance especially when they provide services to the general public

Most people who provide coverage would know that this is a client base who have almost no ability to sue.


yrs,
rubato
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No offense intended to Guin or BSG; I believe they are more ethical than this.
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Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:41 pm
by Big RR
Leaving me out of the ethical group? Ok.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:04 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Big RR wrote:Leaving me out of the ethical group? Ok.
Didn't realize you were in the legal profession too.  Remember, I've only been here for roughly a year.
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Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:49 pm
by rubato
Tort law is one of the ways that the public is protected. In any other context the legal beagles would be complaining the other way. So much for experts.



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Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:57 pm
by Scooter
Apples and oranges, not the least of which is that a food bank or soup kitchen has grants or other sources of income to cover the costs of its operation. Some group handing out donated bagels and coffee in a park doesn't have the same resources.

And an autonomous organization like a food bank can decide for itself how much insurance coverage it needs, as opposed to someone who needs to get a city permit and must buy whatever outrageous amount of insurance the city dictates to it.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:11 am
by rubato
"Food Not Bombs" have been active locally for a very long time using this kind of tactic to attempt to appear morally superior without actually accomplishing anything, making any personal sacrifices, or finding long-term solutions. At their best they are just political gadflies. Leftist Libertarians who can't be bothered to understand or admit that there is a reason the structures of society are the way that they are.

The name being self-applied to a group where bombs are not a meaningful part of existence let alone describing an actual physical dichotomy should have clued you in. It could just as rationally be called 'Food not Statistical Mechanics" or "Food not Malaria Outbreaks".


yrs,
rubato

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:15 am
by Scooter
Actually "Food Not Bombs" says a lot to me about where they believe government priorities should be, i.e. feeding its needy citizens rather than a war making machine.

Re: Don't Feed the Humans!!

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:18 am
by rubato
Scooter wrote:Apples and oranges, not the least of which is that a food bank or soup kitchen has grants or other sources of income to cover the costs of its operation. Some group handing out donated bagels and coffee in a park doesn't have the same resources.

And an autonomous organization like a food bank can decide for itself how much insurance coverage it needs, as opposed to someone who needs to get a city permit and must buy whatever outrageous amount of insurance the city dictates to it.
"Food not Bombs" has the same sources of support as any other non-profit. And they are not as small as their lack of positive effect would suggest.

http://www.foodnotbombs.net/new_site/

they are just stirring shit to make themselves look better and get donations.


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rubato