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Australia has taken a decisive step towards legislating marriage equality by Christmas after 61.6% of enrolled voters approved a change to the law to allow couples of the same sex to marry in an unprecedented national postal survey.



The result, announced by the Australian Bureau of Statistics on Wednesday, will lead to consideration of a same-sex marriage bill in parliament with the prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, promising marriage equality should be law by Christmas.

With a turnout of 79.5% the result in the voluntary survey is considered a highly credible reflection of Australian opinion and gives marriage equality advocates enormous momentum to achieve the historic social reform.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... tal-survey

Full of pride, Gob bursts out in the Aussie national anthem..

Australians all let us rejoice,
and have a cup of tea.
We've hum dee dum,
and rumpty pum,
and girt big bloody sea.

Our land is rich in natures things
and beauty tits and bears,
In every voice let's have a choice,
Advance Australia fair.
In every voice let's have a choice,
Advance Australia fair.

Well done, Oz!

Meanwhile: Aus purges people with dual citizenship from government. Political bulemia?

http://time.com/4898990/australia-dual- ... ans-joyce/


Or they just hate Poms?


yrs,
rubato

rubato wrote:Meanwhile: Aus purges people with dual citizenship from government. Political bulemia?

http://time.com/4898990/australia-dual- ... ans-joyce/


Or they just hate Poms?


yrs,
rubato

Rubato, yet again, and not that it was needed, shows his stunning ignorance of matters outside his tiny world. Don't bother with international stuff Aspergers boy, you haven't a fucking clue.

Section 44 of Australia’s constitution expressly bans MPs from being “a subject or citizen of a foreign power”.

Waters was born in Canada and had moved to Australia with her family as an 11-month-old, while Ludlam migrated to Australia from New Zealand

The biggest name involved is Barnaby Joyce who, as leader of the National Party – which governs in coalition with Turnbull’s Liberal Party – is the deputy prime minister. Joyce discovered that he holds New Zealand citizenship by descent.

Fiona Nash's dad was Scottish, Malcolm Roberts' father was Welsh.

Chief Government Whip Nola Marino married an Italian and, incredibly, because of this, she too might fall foul of s44.

I have as much clue about what this has to do with us voting for gay marriage, as ruboto has a clue does about fatherhood, sport, the world outside his state, or... anything really..

And yet no one enforced it until just now catching a host of (mostly) Poms and possibly as few Kiwis out.


yrs,
rubato

rubato wrote:And yet no one enforced it until just now catching a host of (mostly) Poms and possibly as few Kiwis out.


yrs,
rubato

Yes, and?

I have as much clue about what this has to do with us voting for gay marriage

A possible connection????

Nola Marino married an Italian and, incredibly, because of this, she too might fall foul of s44.

I am having trouble seeing the connection between gay marriage in Australia; removal of some minsters and parliamentarians because they have dual citizenship; Caligula wanting to make his horse Incitatus a consul; and some drunken Welsh rugby (??) fans.

Water spins the other way down the drain there? Emus are weird looking? Tasmanian devils are real? Reefer madness has its own meaning? Tough questions all.

ex-khobar Andy wrote:I am having trouble seeing the connection between gay marriage in Australia; removal of some minsters and parliamentarians because they have dual citizenship

I can answer that part. Rubato introduced it as he is incapable of wit or original thought, (it's his Asperger's you know.)

On the other hand, dual citizenship is a rather new concept for geezers in the USofA. I think we sort of accepted it during the wonderful golden age of Ronnie Raygun Perhaps somebody who actually knows the rules in can straighten me out. I have a friend who was born in Canada while his father was in the US Air Force and my friend's parents were living on the US base physically located within the sovereign territory of Canada. The birth happened in a local Canadian hospital because the Air Force medical workers were way under qualified for child birth stuff. So my friend had dual citizenship. BUT when he turned 18 years old, he had to select for himself to be a citizen of only one.

The USofA naturalization process includes an oath about cutting all ties with foreign potentates and that kind of stuff. Seems to me that should end that dual citizenship.

But somehow, I have heard it is still possible to have dual citizenship with USofA and other countries, but I don't know how that works.

Me, I like the idea of being able to voluntarily give up local loyalties and become a stateless person, a citizen of the world, with papers provided by the UNO. I would not do it, but I like the idea that it is possible. But joint, 'dual' citizenship seems to me to smell somehow of fakery and dishonor.

I fully understand how Aussies don't like dual citizenship for their political servants.

snailgate

I have dual nationality, I carry British and Australian passports.

A while back (in the 1970s, IIRC) a couple of friends of ours emigrated to a kibbutz in Israel and thereafter maintained dual US/Israeli citizenship.

Many US citizens are dual citizens of the country of their ancestors, whether they know it or not. A friend of mine had parents who emigrated to the US from Greece (and were naturalized US citizens) and was born in the US and traveled on a US passport; nevertheless, he was in Greece when trouble in Cypress broke out in the 70s/80s and he was refused the ability to leave because he was eligible for conscription--the US embassy said they couldn't do anything because he was subject to Greek law. It ultimately resolved itself when the dispute was settled, but he was facing conscription into an army where he didn't even know the language.

The State department puts out advisories telling men 9and women) of draft age to avoid traveling to any country where they may have familial ties as they could be drafted.

I don't know whether the US recognizes tis dual citizenship, but it will do little to nothing to interfere with it.

But somehow, I have heard it is still possible to have dual citizenship with USofA and other countries, but I don't know how that works.

snail - one way it works is to become a US citizen with all the tie-cutting that you mentioned. But don't actually turn in or renounce (if one can) the other citizenship. I have two passports - one USA and one UK. Also two Social Security/Pension incomes - though the UK one is tiny because I didn't work there long enough to make the big bucks.

Fucking doley meade!

Aaawww bless...

Victorian Liberal MP Tim Wilson and Ryan Bolger ­exchanged gold rings eight years ago, pledging to marry if and when it became legal for them to do so.

In his first speech to parliament last year, Mr Wilson made reference to their relationship, poignantly describing the rings on their left hands as “the answer to a question we still cannot ask”.

Yesterday, the Goldstein MP ­finally dared to ask the question during a debate on the same-sex marriage bill, confident that Mr Bolger’s answer would be the same “yes” that 61.6 per cent of Australians delivered in the postal survey.

The first marriage proposal on the floor of the House of Representatives came during Mr Wilson’s second reading speech on the bill, as Mr Bolger sat in the public gallery.

“This debate has been the soundtrack to our relationship,” an emotional Mr Wilson said.

“We both know this issue isn’t the reason we got involved in politics. Give us tax reform any day.

“But in my first speech I defined our bond by the ring that sits on both of our left hands, that they are the answer to the questions we cannot ask. So there’s only one thing left to do. Ryan Patrick Bolger, will you marry me?”

Mr Bolger smiled, laughed and said “Yes”, and the house erupted into applause