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Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:20 am
by Lord Jim
'American positivity': Baseball popular with British fans
America's national pastime made a positive impression on British fans the first time they got to see the game up close and personal on British soil.
That may have been helped by a warm, picture-perfect day in often overcast London — baseball weather at its best, played on a midsummer's eve with sunlight that seemed to never fade — and by a slugfest that, to say the least, emphasized power over precision pitching. The 59,659-person crowd at London Stadium was treated to an extreme version of contemporary baseball: a long game with a steady stream of pitchers and home runs.[The field was made with newly installed AstroTurf, and the fence was only 385 ft. to dead center field, both of which probably contributed to the high scoring.]
Things American fans take for granted, like standing for the national anthem, or joshing rival fans without getting overly crude, struck many Brits in London Stadium as a refreshing change.
"It's brilliant, it's amazing, it's so American as well," said Jack Lockwood, a 23-year-old who pitches and plays catcher in an amateur baseball league in the city of Sheffield. "I've been to hundreds of football (soccer) games and it's just such a different atmosphere. I just like the American positivity."
Lockwood spent about six hours on a train to get to and from London for the game, but he considered the trip well worth it, even though his favorite team — the Los Angeles Dodgers — wasn't playing.
He said it would be impossible to have fans from two rival English soccer teams sit in the same stands — intermingled as New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox fans were at Saturday's game — without violent scenes.
"You put two rival football teams' fans in the same stands, you'll get a fight," he said. "In baseball, you can put the fans together and you can have a laugh with anyone."
There were some British touches at the game, like the roaming vendors selling Pimm's cocktails and gin and tonics, but the focus was generally on typical American ballpark fare: hot dogs, nachos, burgers and beer. There were even supersized hot dogs, checking in at 2 feet long.
"It's the way the Americans do sports," said pleased British fan Stuart Graham, 45. "The way they have the spectator in mind. You know you're sitting there and the man comes around with your beer and your hot dogs and you can relax and enjoy the game. It's really very different to what we're used to."
He and Ian Muggridge bought the tickets months ago, spurred in part by the storied Red Sox-Yankees rivalry, which promised to bring top talent to the British capital.
"Two big heavyweights of U.S. baseball, sort of like Manchester United playing Liverpool in the UK," he said, referring to British soccer rivals. "Great spectacle to come and see."
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory ... s-64040200
Real Football has been growing in popularity by leaps and bounds for years in the UK, and now these lucky Brits are catching the baseball bug...

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:40 am
by Gob
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:39 am
by Lord Jim
We watched this...
Couldn't get tickets then...
And I was so sure you'd have been sitting in the stands with your fielder's mitt, hoping to snag a souvenir ball...

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:31 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
That catch by Woakes at 4.52 was spectacular. I followed it on the Guardian OBO site.
From LJ's post:
"You put two rival football teams' fans in the same stands, you'll get a fight," he said. "In baseball, you can put the fans together and you can have a laugh with anyone."
In USA for 35 years, I've been to a few minor league (AAA) games. I've led a fairly placid life, but the last time anyone threw a punch at me was a Buffalo Bisons game at the old War Memorial Stadium (since, thankfully demolished but not before it was used for
The Natural) at a game against the Toledo Mud Hens. Toledo is the other end of Lake Erie so I suppose it's about as close as you can get to a local derby game in AAA baseball.
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:44 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Yeah like those games weren't fixed to make it seem exciting.....
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:47 pm
by Guinevere
The fix seemed in, indeed.
Baseball is far more exciting all on its own. Saturday was a disaster. Sunday only marginally better. JFC, I'm preferring *soccer* to this foolishness.....

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:51 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Yes, when the game is played honestly, baseball is a lot better than ('Merican) football, ice hockey and basketball
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:22 pm
by Big RR
Well, to each his own--I'd give the nod to real football (not soccer, and FWIW I find well played soccer exciting) and ice hockey as being a lot more exciting. Then again, I'm not much of a baseball or basketball fan.
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:48 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Big RR wrote:Well, to each his own--I'd give the nod to real football (not soccer, and FWIW I find well played soccer exciting) and ice hockey as being a lot more exciting. Then again, I'm not much of a baseball or basketball fan.
Oh yes - you are quite right. I'd forgotten rugby (Union)

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:01 pm
by Lord Jim
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Yeah like those games weren't fixed to make it seem exciting.....
Oh come on, these were people used to watching
cricket fercrisakes; how exciting did it need to be?
A pitcher's duel would have seemed exciting...
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:42 am
by ex-khobar Andy
Lord Jim wrote:
Oh come on, these were people used to watching cricket fercrisakes; how exciting did it need to be?
Guys don't stand too close to LJ. There's a thunderbolt coming his way soon.
Edited to correct a typo.
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:08 am
by MajGenl.Meade
ICC Men's Cricket World Cup, Durham
Sri Lanka 338-6 (50 overs)
West Indies 315-9 (50 overs)
Sri Lanka won by 23 runs
West Indies fell 23 runs short of a record World Cup run chase despite a magnificent 118 from Nicholas Pooran against Sri Lanka at Chester-le-Street.
Quite so, Jimbo. We are accustomed to World (that is, not just the USA; the World) Cup duels between the best bowlers and the best batsmen - real squeakers but with high scores that are not manufactured by cheating but achieved by genuine skill. Not surprised that such an event is unfamiliar to you.

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:10 am
by Bicycle Bill
Meade ... maybe if I'd been brought up on cricket I would understand and appreciate it better. However, it is my understanding that the bowler is attempting to throw a ball past a batsman in order to knock two bails off of three stumps. The batsman is there to prevent that by striking the ball with a plank
(a flat-sided bat, actually, but I call 'em as I see 'em). When someone can score 118 runs, as did Mr. Pooran, it sounds like the bowler isn't that great if the batsman can slap the ball around to that extent.
Keep in mind, too, that in American baseball the pitcher does not have to try to hit such a specific target. There is a 'strike zone' which the batter must protect; a three-dimensional, five-sided prism of space 17" wide, 17" deep, and "measured between the batter's knees and the midpoint of their torso as determined by the batter's stance as he prepares to hit the pitched ball". A pitched ball passing through any portion of this area is properly a strike; three such strikes and the batter is 'out'.
Now add in the difficulty of striking a sphere 3" (75 mm) in diameter traveling up to 100 mph (160 kph) somewhere within this space with a tapered, cylindrical bat that is no more than 2.6 " (66 mm) in diameter at its thickest part accurately enough to put the ball into play without its being fielded and the batter being put 'out'. I think you will begin to understand why baseball games are (normally) such low-scoring affairs and batters who can successfully put the ball into play without being put out even once out of three times at bat are not all that thick upon the ground.
-"BB"-
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:52 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Good to see you agree 100% with me, BB. Normal baseball games (without the cheating witnessed at Wembley - twice) are indeed quite low-scoring. And LJ isn't used to a high-scoring game.
But to clarify, in a one-day International there is a limit of 50 overs (300 "pitches") per team. Since the bowlers are limited to 10 overs each (that is, 60 "pitches" to you),there must be at least 5 bowlers on each team. Some are fast bowlers, delivering at 85-95 mph. Others are spin bowlers - achieving weird ball movement from the bounce on the grass (alleged grass). The bowler's objective i,s to get the batsman out - the ball may dislodge the bails, remove the stumps in all directions; hitting the batsman on the leg is an out if the umpire judges that the ball would otherwise have hit the stumps; caught out in the field; run-out by failing to reach "base" before the stumps are hit by the thrown ball; stumped by the wicket-keeper when the batsman steps out of his crease and fails to get his foot back in time and so on. Point is, that the bowler (like the pitcher) is not delivering the same look each time; batsmen "reach" for the ball just as often as batters do in baseball; game of wits and skill.
Neither game is "easy" or we'd all be pulling in millions of $$$. But baseball is more boring than a good ODI and very much more dull than a T20. Now, Test matches over 5 days

- not so scintillating usually.
Londoners Treated To A Real Sport...
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:18 pm
by RayThom
And now some cricket comic relief...

Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:41 pm
by Big RR
I can't comment on cricket, but the baseball season comprises 162 games, so the importance of any one game (except near the end when the payoffs are being chased) is not all that great. It is not surprising that many games seem "boring"; baseball is more followed for the season with the fan watching injuries and pitching rotations, seeing when the right hand pitcher will be pulled based on the batters, how well the relief staff is doing, etc. It is also a game more of hits than home runs, and (even though Jim will violently disagree) of defense, where pitching duels can be quite exciting, especially when the field pitches in to keep the hit count low. Add to that the occasional excitement of home runs and exceptional defensive plays, and you can understand why baseball is popular with those having the time to keep abreast of it. But just seeing a random game might well be "boring".
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:57 pm
by rubato
I can't comment on cricket, but the baseball season comprises 162 games, so the importance of any one game (except near the end when the payoffs are being chased) is not all that great.
The importance of each game is the same. Baseball is about the game not the playoffs and World Series. People who actually like baseball go to games even when 'their' ream is out of contention. Every year is a new act. Young players come up from the minors, imports from Japan, Korea &c arrive and we get to see how they manage the transition. Older established players distinguish themselves by maintaining a high level of play into later years. beloved players like Hunter Pence fight their way back into all-star condition after age and injuries have wounded them and eventually you see great champions (Ichiro) cope gracefully with the inevitable effects of time. There is always something new and amazing like Shohei Otani. Every year we ask where is the next Pedro Martinez, will there ever be anther Nolan Ryan, we get to see people who love playing the game so much they will continue in the minor leagues even after an all-star career (Ricky Henderson).
yrs,
rubato
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:48 pm
by Big RR
Exactly rubato, it is what goes on throughout the season that makes baseball a pleasure to follow, not necessarily any individual game; we can see pitchers improve and hitters break out of slumps over days or weeks, and see the opposite as well. We can watch how the manager deals with injuries and how to replace those players, and can watch the rehab of someone coming back and progress from playing only occasionally to getting back in the starting rotation. Sure, there are some astounding games, but a lot more are merely just game, interesting only to the fans watching for the season. From what I have seen, being a true fan takes a lot of dedication to sticking with the team through the season and celebrating its ups and downs. As for the series and playoffs, how important they are is debatable (and non/occasional fans will place far greater importance on them than many true fans will), but each individual game is far more important when 3 or 4 wins can knock the other team out of contention.
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:50 pm
by Gob
Lord Jim wrote:.
And I was so sure you'd have been sitting in the stands with your fielder's mitt, hoping to snag a souvenir ball...

Wut?
Re: Londoners Treated To A Real Sport....
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:34 pm
by Lord Jim