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Sick pay

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:53 am
by Gob
Here in the UK, we get this, you poor saps however....

As the coronavirus outbreak (Covid-19) has begun to spread through the United States, millions of low-wage workers in service industries are left vulnerable due to lack of proper medical benefits and paid sick leave. There are growing concerns that these workers will be extra vulnerable to the disease themselves, or, due to lack of health insurance and poverty, help its spread by continuing to work while ill.

Over 32 million workers in the US have no paid sick days off, and low-wage workers are least likely to have paid sick time. These workers are also significantly less likely to have access to healthcare and medical benefits, making them potentially especially vulnerable to the coronavirus outbreak as it spreads.

According to the latest data available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 69% of low-wage workers, those in the tenth lowest percentile of median wage earners in the US civilian workforce, do not receive paid sick leave benefits.

“Their earnings are low so they can’t afford to take unpaid leave and when they are sick they have to keep working and expose other people in the process,” said Harry Holzer, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University.

“That’s the reason advocates for paid leave make the case, it’s not just for the worker, it’s for the public good. There’s a reason for the government to help provide it.”


More here...

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:27 pm
by Guinevere
This certainly takes the import of MFA and mandatory leave paid policies from the theoretical into the practical.

FWIW, Massachusetts has paid Family and Medical leave (I now "pay" into a trust fund as part of my payroll taxes), and the state has decreed that all MA health insurance (which is also mandatory here) will cover Coronavirus testing and treatment/care (without co-pay or deductible). Thankful I live here.

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/ ... -treatment

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:36 pm
by rubato
SF made mandatory sick leave the law years ago. Ahead of the curve? It is one of those things which make obvious sense; not having it forces sick people to go to work and expose their co-workers and the general public.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:31 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Well that's the point, innit? You can't just not go to work because you're scared of getting sick - you have to be sick in the first place, innit?

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:55 pm
by Econoline
No matter what the laws say, there's no protection for many "gig economy" jobs, especially "ride-share" (Uber, Lyft) and food delivery. If you're an "independent contractor" who needs the money, you're SOL.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:24 pm
by Big RR
That is a big problem; so many people work as sole proprietors (or as LLCs) and have no such coverage; there are ways of setting up businesses where you would be eligible for unemployment compensation, and possibly government funded sick leave (such as S corporations), but this costs money ane increases red tape. We need to find a way to address this; sick leave is a benefit to the public (especially in crises like this) and should be publicly funded; but I predict we will get by this and then forget all about sick leave and do nothing.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:53 pm
by Gob
In times of need...
Budget 2020: Chancellor on coronavirus sick pay changes

The chancellor has said that the NHS will get "whatever it needs, whatever it costs" to deal with the coronavirus outbreak.

In his first Budget speech, Rishi Sunak set out a three-point £1bn plan for the UK economy to cope with the effect on the workforce.

It will include extending access to statutory sick pay, and those self-isolating being able to get a sick note over the phone.

And he said it would be "easier" to access benefits, with no need to attend job centres in person.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:25 pm
by Big RR
Damn socialists.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:26 pm
by Jarlaxle
Econoline wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:55 pm
No matter what the laws say, there's no protection for many "gig economy" jobs, especially "ride-share" (Uber, Lyft) and food delivery. If you're an "independent contractor" who needs the money, you're SOL.
My father in law is in essentially this situation...he works on 100% commission, and has no salary.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:01 pm
by Econoline
I was in that same situation too, until a couple of years ago. (I'm pretty much retired now, though I'm still technically on call one day a week.)

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:08 am
by dales
What about the nation's homeless?

They exist all cramped together in flimsy tents.

I'm surprised that COVID-19 hasn't run rampant among that population.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:41 am
by Guinevere
Dales, they may be physically isolated enough that it doesn’t enter that population. But yes, if it did, I can see it being especially virulent.

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:08 am
by Econoline
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Re: Sick pay

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:48 am
by Econoline
From the comments on a story at Jalopnik: "The good thing about getting the Coronavirus when driving for Uber is that the executives get to take 60% of it."

Re: Sick pay

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:52 am
by rubato
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