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Do not go gentle...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:14 pm
by Gob
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Defying stereotypes: Hillie Marshall does not look or act how people expect 65-year-old women to
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With her thigh-skimming skirts, toned bare, tanned legs and biker boots, 56-year-old Carole Middleton dresses just as fashionably as her daughters.

In the recent picture of her on a shopping trip with Pippa (they favour the same High Street stores), it was tough to tell who was the parent and who the twentysomething daughter.

Carole, a mother of three, has the enviably slim figure of someone half her years — and she’s clearly not ready to slip into ‘comfortable’ middle age quite yet. Likewise, Hillie Marshall has the kind of glamorous look that many a 20-year-old would envy.

She admits that when men come into the dating agency she runs asking to meet young women, they are taken aback when she reveals her own age. Hillie is not some nubile young woman, but a 65-year-old mother-of-two from West London, who looks at least a decade younger than she really is.

‘People have a stereotyped image of what a 65-year-old mother should look like — short, greying hair, conservative clothes and a cardigan,’ she says.

‘But that’s not for me. I go shopping with my 30-year-old daughter in Topshop, Primark and H&M, and we often swap clothes. It’s not that I’m trying to be young; I just don’t think about getting old. I live life the way I always have.’

Both Hillie and Carole Middleton are part of a fast-growing trend of women (and men) living ‘agelessly’.

Madonna, at 52, is still lithe, while Helen Mirren, 65, made Vogue’s most glamorous list despite being of pensionable years. And Sarah Jessica Parker didn’t allow a minor thing like her advancing years (she’s 44) to stop her becoming a parent — even if that did mean relying on surrogacy.

The ‘ageless generation’ are never too old to find a new lover, start up a new business or have a baby. In fact, they’re ready for anything — except death.
Now, in a new book about the phenomenon, Time magazine’s Catherine Mayer terms these ‘ageless’ individuals ‘The Amortals’.

‘Amortality may not be a word you’re familiar with — yet — but you’re bound to recognise some of the symptoms, perhaps even in yourself,’ says Mayer. ‘Do people say you don’t act your age? Maybe you aren’t even sure how someone your age should act.

‘Did you start your first business at 17 or was it at 70? Are you always taking up new activities, tackling new challenges and enjoying pursuits that your contemporaries have put aside — from rock climbing to rock music?

‘Amortals are challenging some of the prejudices and structures associated with all the phases of life, and especially their middle and later years.’

Indeed, although Shakespeare wrote about the ‘seven ages of man’, life expectancy in Elizabethan times was below 40. Nowadays, Mayer suggests we should have perhaps ten, 12 or even 15 stages of our lives, given the average man will live until his late 70s and the average woman to her early 80s.

The average lifespan has increased by 30 years across the world in the past century. Medical advances and healthier diets have enabled the number of centenarians to rise from a few thousand in 1950 to 340,000 globally in 2010. In 40 years, that figure is projected to reach nearly six million.

So, what has caused this shift?

Genes may play a part in how healthy we are, how young we look and how long we live, but amortality, Mayer argues, is a state of mind.

It is society, she says, which is re-writing the rules of what it means to be 40, 50, 60 or beyond. As Mark Twain once said: ‘Age is mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter.’

During research for her book, Mayer asked people from a wide variety of different professions and cultural backgrounds to tell her the age they were and the age they felt. Many told her they felt decades younger than their actual ages.

Mayer empathises. She says: ‘At 50, I’m still hyperactive, still compelled to accept dares and push myself to sample new experiences, however daunting. I compulsively fill every moment and then complain to my husband and friends that I’m too busy.

‘Give me more leisure time and I’d spend as much of it as possible in the vivid, busy undersea world, with my 82-year-old father, another amortal.

'People think 60-year-olds have grey hair and wear cardies. That's just not me!'

‘He took up diving at the very end of his 60s and, like my mother, still works, at least when he’s on dry land.’

Mayer’s father is a theatre historian; her mother a freelance arts publicist.

So how can you attain amortality? Power, fame and wealth, Mayer says, all help their owners to stay as young as the person they feel.

Actress Demi Moore, 48, has never looked better and has a handsome and successful husband (who’s 15 years her junior) to boot — actor Ashton Kutcher.

Demi dresses like her daughters, and looks just as fresh and, frankly gorgeous, as they do.

It may take more work, but she’s willing to put in the hours in the gym, the trips to the beautician and — if the rumours are to be believed — visits to the cosmetic surgeon.

‘The rich have a better chance at longer life spans, and importantly, health spans, than the poor, although bad diets and sedentary ways are eroding this advantage,’ Mayer explains.

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Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:25 pm
by The Hen
She looks remarkable for 65.

There is hope for me yet. I have another 18 years to go before I get to her age. Whoo-hoo!

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:16 am
by Jarlaxle
Were I to guess from the photos, I would have guessed mid-40's. Impressive!

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:13 am
by oldr_n_wsr
Can you believe this woman is 65?
nope, she doesn't look a day over 64. :shrug
Sorry, she does look older than 60 to me.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:13 am
by Jarlaxle
Then you need an optometrist!

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:33 am
by loCAtek
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


http://www.bigeye.com/donotgo.htm



Wiki;
It shows the author's fear that there is very little that separates life from death. As such he feels the need for a strong indication of the difference between the two. It does not even matter whether he is being blessed or cursed, he wants to see a reaction (l. 17). The poem could be written as well in the hope that the speaker would be able to see his dying father. He gives the impression that since wise men, good men, wild men and grave men all regret leaving this world his father as well should not be wanting to leave this world without a fight. It seems to be a wild hope, that he will be able to see his father before he passes; that each will be able to say those last words to each other - whether curses or blessings.

The poem is structured as a villanelle, which seems to imply a light gay tone. This already alludes to a profound paradox: unavoidable death in the face of the perpetual rhythm of rebirth. The haunting refrains seal the poem between courage and frustration, strength and grieving. The different epithets "wise", "good", "wild", and "grave" allude to the attitudes of men in front of their last challenge. By the time the poem was written, Dylan was facing not only the severance of the last solid bond in his life --the relationship with his father-- but also the imminence of his own demise. As his wife Caitlin notes in her memoirs, a sinister foreboding accompanied Dylan since his teen age years, when, after an illness, a doctor gave him four years to live. Also D.J. (his father) used to say that his son would not have reached the age of forty. The same ominous feeling informs "Poem on his Birthday", composed shortly after "Do not go gentle into that good night".

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:13 am
by loCAtek
is there some suggestion or assumption that 'raging' or getting angry at death will somehow prevent it? :shrug

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:27 am
by The Hen
The poem that Dylan wrote for his father expresses the distress of watching a loved parent die, hence the raging.

If Dylan didn't care for his father he would have written the poem differently no doubt.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:28 am
by The Hen
Jarlaxle wrote:Then you need an optometrist!
Seconded!

I wish Gob's eyes were that bad.

:)

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:32 am
by Gob
She knows all that Hen. Anyone reading the poem, would know that the poem is Dylan imploring his father to not give up, to hang on, to fight "the dying of the light" (death). Which is why the title was apt for this thread.

All you'd have to do is look it up opn Wikipedia to find that out...

"Thomas watched his father, formerly in the Army, grow weak and frail with old age. Thus, the speaker in his poem tries to convince his father to fight against imminent death. The speaker addresses his father using wise men, good men, wild men, or grave men as examples to illustrate the same message: that no matter how they have lived their lives or what they feel at the end they should die fighting. It is one of Thomas' most popular, most easily accessible poems, and implies that one should not die without fighting for one's life, or after life."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_go_ ... good_night

edited to remove inflamatory statement.



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Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:43 am
by Scooter
Jarlaxle wrote:Then you need an optometrist!
The neck is the giveaway. Her face can be smooth (whether surgically altered or not), her body can be toned, but that is an older woman's neck.

Not saying she doesn't look really good, but no way she can pass for being in her 40s, or even in her 50s.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:42 am
by Jay Tea
It's all about your figure really, same goes for blokes, if you keep yourself trim (or are lucky enough to one of those people that just remains trim) then you're halfway there, the rest of the battle is fashion choice. A couple of senior scientists at my work are pushing retirement but you'd not know they were the same age. One is slim and up to date fashion-wise, moisturises (he nicks my hand cream), keeps his bald head close cropped and could easily pass for 40s, another is paunchy and wears cardigans etc, has 'pointy haired boss' hair and a grey beard, and looks every bit like a retiree.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:06 pm
by loCAtek
The Hen wrote:The poem that Dylan wrote for his father expresses the distress of watching a loved parent die, hence the raging.

If Dylan didn't care for his father he would have written the poem differently no doubt.
I didn't mean to imply that he didn't care for his father, but I do hear this poem, told to Marines.

However, rage is one of the five stages that means the loss has not been accepted. So, I don't understand its use as a motivator.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:16 pm
by @meric@nwom@n
She actually looks to be an overly sun exposed 55 to me.

Cripes I know a 94 year old who wears Dolly Parton wigs, short skirts, and high heeled shoes. She actually looks like someone plucked a 94 year old parrot and stuck it in Dolly Parton wigs, short skirts and high heeled shoes.

Going with what you feel like wearing is not always the best advice.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:58 pm
by Gob
I think that's where this woman is doing the right thing @-W, she's not tried to dress it all up as mutton. Plain unfussy clothes, nothing too "sexy" or contrived.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:12 pm
by The Hen
The one thing I find that ages a woman faster than anything else is her reliance on a hairstyle that she wore when she was in her twenties once she has reached forty (or so).

Surprisingly the woman in the article doesn't seem to have suffered from an old hairstyle, even though I am sure she has been wearing it that way for decades.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:08 am
by Andrew D
A good companion poem, with a very different viewpoint, to Dylan Thomas's is this one:
A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning
by John Donne


As virtuous men pass mildly away,
And whisper to their souls to go,
Whilst some of their sad friends do say,
"The breath goes now," and some say, "No,"

So let us melt, and make no noise,
No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move;
'Twere profanation of our joys
To tell the laity our love.

Moving of the earth brings harms and fears,
Men reckon what it did and meant;
But trepidation of the spheres,
Though greater far, is innocent.

Dull sublunary lovers' love
(Whose soul is sense) cannot admit
Absence, because it doth remove
Those things which elemented it.

But we, by a love so much refined
That our selves know not what it is,
Inter-assured of the mind,
Care less, eyes, lips, and hands to miss.

Our two souls therefore, which are one,
Though I must go, endure not yet
A breach, but an expansion.
Like gold to airy thinness beat.

If they be two, they are two so
As stiff twin compasses are two:
Thy soul, the fixed foot, makes no show
To move, but doth, if the other do;

And though it in the center sit,
Yet when the other far doth roam,
It leans, and hearkens after it,
And grows erect, as that comes home.

Such wilt thou be to me, who must,
Like the other foot, obliquely run;
Thy firmness makes my circle just,
And makes me end where I begun.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:15 am
by Gob
I love Donne's work, but this one is rather impersonal compared to Thomas's, don't you think? Thomas's is full of passion for his dying father, wiling him to not leave him behind, whereas Donne's is more acquiescing and resigned.

The sentiment of both bears examination though.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:10 am
by oldr_n_wsr
The neck is the giveaway. Her face can be smooth (whether surgically altered or not), her body can be toned, but that is an older woman's neck.
Thant's what stood out for me also. Then the arms and especially the hands that just look old.

Re: Do not go gentle...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:39 am
by The Hen
How on earth can you see her hands that well??

I can see she has hands, but that is about it.

The-I need glasses- Hen