The Hen wrote:Colour me unfaithful but, as a mother, I do not trust you on that.
You seem to be attempting to justify the indefensible.
If I told you that Hatch should not be allowed to go to the local park without anti-tiger spray or the tigers would get her. Do you not think you would adopt a similar attitude to mine?
People keep banging on about rock fall. There is as much chance of rock fall at this cliff as there is a slate falling off a roof and hitting the child, therefore as much need for the child to wear a helmet while it is being walked down the street..
One person on this forum knows this cliff, why not take their perspective into account.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Gob wrote:Or maybe it was just an automatic reflex from when she climbs hard and unsafe climbs, like putting your seatbelt on when you get in a car. Most climbers and adventure sports people do things like that, it becomes almost like a ritual.
And why did it become a "ritual". Clearly rock climbers put helmets on because there is something about the sport that makes them say "I need to wear a helmet when I do this."
Which means her kid should have been wearing one too, or shouldn't have been there.
"If you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu."
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
I'm saying that helmets may or may not be worn depending on the climb, and the climbers wish. Top roping this climb would not, in my view, require a helmet. My guess is she put in on out of habit rather than need. I would happily let the Hatch be top roped up this climb without a helmet. I have never worn a helmet while rock climbing.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Oh, I have taken Hatch to our local climbing wall many times, no hemets worn there either.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Gob wrote:I'm saying that helmets may or may not be worn depending on the climb, and the climbers wish.
And the climber, in this case, wished to wear a helmet
My guess is she put in on out of habit rather than need.
So you believe she was climbing on autopilot i.e. oblivious to the safety of the child she was carrying.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Either she chose to protect herself and not her child, or she is climbing without thinking, meaning her child is being endangered.
"If you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu."
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Scooter wrote: Either she chose to protect herself and not her child, or she is climbing without thinking, meaning her child is being endangered.
So someone getting into a car and putting their seatbelt on is "driving without thinking"?
Really?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
People who get into a car and put their seatbelt on are doing so for a purpose. You are claiming this woman put on a helmet for no reason at all i.e. she was not thinking.
I don't put my seatbelt on if I get into the car for a purpose other than driving e.g. to look for something, clean the interior, etc. And I seriously doubt anyone else does, either.
"If you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu."
I claimed that she may have put it on automatically, like I put my hat on to walk the dogs. This has become such a normal thing to do that I put it on when it's not sunny. Easliy done, we're all human.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Taking a 4-month old baby up a rock face strapped to a back with a sling is not "automatic," its dangerous, selfish, and insane. Or, as Hen succinctly put it, indefensible.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
I disagree, and while not wanting to seem boastful, I consider myself better versed in the climbing, protection invoved, and crag than anyone else who has commented here.
It's my view that this event is no more dangerous than her walking down a busy city street with the child in that back pack.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Perhaps, but I don't believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) you're better versed in parenting an infant --- and thus, IMO, your disconnect.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
A nice shot showing the easy angle of the cliff. The route she was on takes the left edge of the raised slab on the small pinnacle far left of the photo.
Twenty five foot of the easiest grade .
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
