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Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:18 am
by Gob
just....
.....go to jail....
The ACT Government wants to introduce a tattooing service for prisoners at the territory's jail.
Chief Minister Katy Gallagher says the use of makeshift, contraband tattoo guns and needles by prisoners could be a greater infection risk at the jail than intravenous drug use.
Ms Gallagher said she believed a safe, professional tattooing service could be more effective in stopping the spread of blood-borne disease at the Alexander Maconochie Centre than the stalled needle-and-syringe program.
Determined opposition by the prison's guards and their union, the CPSU, has blocked a needle exchange scheme at the jail, but Ms Gallagher said yesterday she had not given up in her efforts to control blood-borne diseases at the AMC.
The union cautiously welcomed the safe tattooing plan yesterday and suggested it could be extended to provide a safe body-piercing service.
Ms Gallagher said that a safe, professional tattoo service would be part of the solution but she also flagged moves to make prison staff more accountable in the control of blood-borne viruses among inmates.
The Government cites reports by prisons expert Keith Hamburger, virology research centre the Burnett Institute and former health minister Michael Moore that all recommended a safe tattooing facility to control the spread of HIV and hepatitis.
The Burnett report found that 40per cent of the prison's tattooed inmates had been given some of their tattoos by fellow inmates while behind bars.
Ms Gallagher, who is also Health Minister, told The Canberra Times that it was time to act.
''We know there are tattoo guns, some have been confiscated,'' she said. ''We know that the dirty needles often used for tattoos transmit blood-borne viruses and we know that the rates of those viruses are very high in the jail.
''It's not the only answer but it could be part of the answer.''
There were issues to be managed, Ms Gallagher said, such as who would operate the service, whether it would be free and the problem of prisoners using tattoos to identify themselves as gang members.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/lo ... 71566.aspx
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:30 am
by Scooter
There was a pilot study done in Canadian prisons (initiated by the previous government, of course, not the current crop of evidence-phobic Republican wannabes) that showed it would generate 10 times its cost in savings in health care, social assistance, lost productivity, etc. That was just accounting for the infections prevented within the prison; it did not attempt to estimate the cost associated with those they might infect once they were released.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:32 am
by loCAtek
Um no, that they're 'street cred' is the large part of their appeal.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:49 am
by Scooter
And that negates the savings generated by a safer tattooing program how, exactly...
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:24 pm
by Miles
Why should criminals get free ink when working people have to pay for it? They are, after all, in jail where correct me if I am wrong punishment is the object of the exercise.

Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:33 pm
by Scooter
Whether it will be free or not is something TBD.
The reason for doing it is to prevent them from getting tattoos in ways that will transmit disease. Would you rather pay $50 for a prisoners tattoo or $25,000 a year for the rest his life for AIDS meds?
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:27 pm
by Rick
Just an observation, but since I live in neither Oz or Canada I presume I wouldn't have to pay for anything...
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:40 pm
by loCAtek
In the US, I'm just not convinced the inmates would use state artists; the kind of tatts that they would want to get are illegal anyway: gang signs, Nazi symbols, Racist or supremacist, etc.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:59 pm
by Scooter
No one said anything about employing ''state tattoo artists''. The issue is using professional-grade equipment that can be properly sterilized. In the Canadian pilot, the tattoos were done by inmates who were trained in proper antiseptic technique. And this would be a complete non-starter in U.S. prisons in any case, which are so backward in blood-borne disease prevention that they still refuse to implement something as basic as needle exchanges, so you have nothing to worry about.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:02 pm
by Rick
If it's contraband it's contraband...
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:04 pm
by Scooter
If it is done using authorized equipment and materials,how is it "contraband"?
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:16 pm
by Rick
Why are they providing the crap to begin with?
Because the poor thieves and rapists and murderers are in jeopardy of catching something while involved in some activity that is not allowed with items that are considered "contraband".
I guess I'm just a Draconian ass then Scoot...
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:27 pm
by Scooter
Because they want to avoid the COST of thieves and rapists and murderers catching something while involved...
I do not take the position I do on these sorts of programs out of any sympathy for rapists, thieves and murderers. My concerns are strictly pragmatic. It will cost us huge sums of money if we do not do something to prevent these infections, so figuring out a way to prevent them is the right thing to do. The alternative is to cut off one's nose to spite one's face.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:58 pm
by loCAtek
The Canadian Prison Guard Union didn't like the idea;
'No way' says union
...
The Union of Canadian Correctional Officers doesn't need any time decide.
"No way, shape or form would the corrections officers, or the union, agree to a needle exchange," said union president Sylvain Martel. He said with more needles in prisons, more officers will be poked.
Likewise, he disapproves of the tattoo project and its $3 million price tag.
"That's taxpayers' money. In the 1990s, the big thing was to de-tattoo someone," said Martel, who added the costly effort was meant to help prisoners reintegrate into society.
"Now, we're going to pay for them to be tattooed and a month before their release we're going to have them de-tattooed. They say it will reduce the infectious disease inside (the prison), which is bullshit, bologna."
Tattoos said to fuel gangs
Martel said his biggest objection to the tattoo project is that it will perpetuate gang activity in the prisons. Often esoteric tattoos are used to identify gang members, he said, and the inmate giving the tattoos would also be under pressure not to tattoo members of rival gangs.
He is also concerned that both the needles in the exchange and the tattoo needles will find their way in the general prison population.
Pilon-Santilli said since the tattooing is done in a controlled environment, than there is no way the needles will find their way into the general population. But Martel said medical syringes are often stolen under similar circumstances from prison medical services.
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Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:11 pm
by Scooter
Prison guards exist to follow policy, not to set it. If they do not like it, they are free to go flip burgers somewhere.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:19 pm
by Scooter
Contrary to what Martel predicts, none of the European prisons using needle exchange programs reported those needles being used in attacks. In fact, in Germany, the program was cancelled when the government changed hands. Prison guards in that country protested because they realized how much safer the exchange program made the prisons, he said.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:36 pm
by Andrew D
Miles wrote:They are, after all, in jail where correct me if I am wrong punishment is the object of the exercise.
Lamentably, that has become more and more the case. There was a time when rehabilitation was considered as important as punishment.
We have devolved since then. With the result that rather than releasing people whom we have equipped with the skills necessary for lawful employment and the inclination to pursue lawful employment, we release people whose criminal talents have become more finely honed.
And that is a good thing?
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:24 am
by loCAtek
Scooter wrote:Prison guards exist to follow policy, not to set it.
Setting policy is what unions do;
in order to best provide safe working conditions for their members.
The Union of Canadian Correctional Officers launched a national campaign Tuesday to draw attention to the dangers they face on the job. The union has spent more than 75 days over the past two years in contract negotiations with the federal government since its contract expired. The campaign is being used to draw attention to their concerns about safety, management, pensions, and the proliferation of weapons in federal prisons.
From the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers website;
Why Ottawa rubbed out jail tattoo program
The Leader-Post
Your readers deserve to get the full picture as to why our government discontinued the initiative to set up tattoo parlours in our corrections facilities ("Gov't report contradicts Day's assertion", Jan. 16 edition of the Leader-Post.)
Canadians were surprised to learn that taxpayers' dollars were paying for tattoo parlours for convicted criminals. So was I. Unlike the Liberals, Canada's new
government does not believe that spending taxpayers' money on providing tattoos for convicted criminals is an effective use of public money. Like all Canadians, inmates
must take responsibility for their own health. At the same time, our government continues to support education initiatives that the Correctional Service of Canada (CSC) has put in place in order to educate inmates about the dangers of illicit tattooing.
I would also like to note that the CSC commissioner recommended that we close the six pilot sites for the tattoo project and that UCCO (Correctional Officers Union) called the program "a waste of money" and a "band-aid solution." UCCO also predicted that the program would result in our correctional officers being assaulted with tattooing
needles. The Canadian Taxpayer's Federation cited the
$700,000 program in its annual "Teddy's Awards" for government waste. Canadian Crime Victim Foundation chairman Joe Wamback called the program "lunacy."
As well, I toured institutions where the tattoo pilot project was practised and saw first-hand that this program was not an effective use of taxpayers' dollars. Our decision to not provide tattoos for convicted criminals was also based on the draft evaluation report prepared by CSC, which failed to conclusively determine that the health and safety of staff members, inmates and the general public would be protected by maintaining this program.
Even prisoners' rights advocate Jim Motherall, a former inmate and HIV/AIDS advocate, said that the tattoo program "was set to fail." Our new government believes in using resources as Canadians would want us to. That means focusing our resources on tackling crime and crime prevention.
Stockwell Day
Day is Canada's minister of public safety.
Ottawa
© The Leader-Post (Regina) 2007
Ending prison tattoo project was correct decision
27 January 2007
Kingston Whig-Standard Re: Dr. John Ford's letter "Prison tattoo pilot projects helped fight disease" (Jan. 23).
Dr. Ford's letter got one thing right: his statement that the prison tattoo program "was not set up with the intent to provide numerical evidence of harm reduction." In fact, when I attended a briefing session in Ottawa on the tattoo project, it became obvious that the project was going to be judged a success no matter what.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:30 am
by Scooter
loCAtek wrote:Setting policy is what unions do
No, setting government policy is what members of the government do. Public sector unions work to influence government policy, but they are one voice among many. They don't get the final say. People who process tax returns do not decide what tax rates are going to be, do they?
The rest of the drivel is nothing but the then Minister of Public Safety defending the government's continuing mission to ignore evidence in favour of ideology.
Re: Free jailhouse tatts
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:58 am
by loCAtek
Not quite the cost so far, is much greater than you tried to lead us to believe;
Scooter wrote: Would you rather pay $50 for a prisoners tattoo or $25,000 a year for the rest his life for AIDS meds?
The Canadian Taxpayer's Federation cited the $700,000 program in its annual "Teddy's Awards" for government waste.
Also, the UCCO are one the groups that will determine if you will have a needle exchange program;
Canada is also looking into whether to hand out clean needles to injection-drug using inmates. CSC and PHAC have signed an agreement to analyze the risks and benefits of a prison-based needle exchange program. Officials from the two agencies, along with representatives from the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers and the Professional Institute of Public Service, traveled to Germany and Spain in September to look at such programs there.
They're you're fact-finders, they shouldn't be dismissed.