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Nestled in among the Hassidic Jews and the hipsters in the historically Jewish neighbourhood of Le Plateau Mont-Royal in Montreal a quiet battle has been raging for over five decades.

The war is on. The prize? The title for Montreal's best bagel and there are two serious contenders. St Viateur Bagel and Fairmount Bagel, situated a block apart, each claim to be the best bagelry in a city known for its distinctive style of bagels.

The story tracing the origins of Montreal bagels is more folklore than fact and has been smoothed over with years of history. In 1910, according to some, two Jewish immigrants arrived in Montreal and opened a bagel shop in the Mile End neighbourhood, bringing the old world traditions of hand rolling bagels and baking them in a wood burning oven to Canada for the first time.

Then, as the story goes, the two men had a falling out in the mid 1950s, parted ways and both went on to have successful businesses with loyal customers.

Erwin Shlafman, the current owner of Fairmount Bagel said there is no dispute over the fact that it was his grandfather, Isadore Shlafman, who brought the first bagel to Montreal.

"My grandfather arrived in Montreal in 1910. He looked for a job as a bagel baker but there weren't any. So he opened his own bakery," Shlafman explained.

"Then in 1957, a former employee of my Grandfather who had worked for him opened up the St Viateur bakery."

According to Shlafman, "It is the Fairmount bakery that is the origin of bagels in Montreal - St Viateur is the upstart."

A couple of generations later, both bagel shops are still thriving. Each is open 24 hours a day, churning out a steady stream of bagels being rolled, boiled, and baked to perfection.

Each shop boasts a steady line of eager customers, that often snake out the door and onto the sidewalks.

Robert Morena, the jovial owner of St Viateur Bagel, said the rivalry between the bakeries is civil.

"We have an amicable relationship. We have our customers, they have theirs and we don't share many. Whoever eats Fairmount eats Fairmount and the St. Viateur loyalists eat ours."

But there are those who do take sides. One regular customer said she has been buying her bagels from St Viateur's for 40 years.

"It's the best, I'm telling you," said the regular. "I have been here for a long long time and they are wonderful. I used to go to Fairmount but here is the best. The best, the best, the best."

Morena certainly agrees with that statement.

"We were nominated for one of the Wonders of the World and people were voting like crazy. Montrealers love this place. We give them the best bagel and they keep coming back," he said.

Around the corner, Fairmount Bagel has equally enthusiastic customers. Raymond Younian, who is familiar with both, said there is no contest.

"These are the best," said Younian holding a brown paper bag full of Fairmount bagels. "I have come here, I've tried St Viateur Bagel and other bagel shops but we always make a detour to come here to Fairmount bagel. You cannot compare the taste to any other bagel."

Shlafman said the secret to his success has been passed down through the generations.

"In my place we are still making bagels the way my grandfather made them. My grandfather taught my father and my father taught me."

With so much history behind them, these bakeries have become beloved landmarks in Montreal and for some, choosing between a Fairmount or a St Viateur bagel is tantamount to a betrayal.

Robert Miller who frequents both bakeries refused to say which he prefers. "I'm not going to go there. They've both been in business for a long long time and I'm not going to go there."

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True, I heard because of all the carbs, a bagel isn't much healthier than a doughnut.

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Just about anything is better for you than a doughnut. :(
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The bagel is just bread dough, cooked in a different way. So it is as healthy as bread. Although some of the starch might be lost in the boiling in water step.

Donuts contain a higher amount of fat and sugar and are usually deep-fried.
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Not a fan of bagels nor doughnuts. Good publicity for both parties eh?

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Loves me the bagels I do (got my own favorite bakeries both here in NJ and in Brooklyn), but even more I loves the bialys.

Haven't tried the Montreal bagels -- was always too busy eating at les patisseries. Next time I'm there I'll see how they compare to NY/NJ.
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Hmmmmm fresh bagels, with a schmear, lox, capers, and a sliver of red onion. Heaven. But heaven in Montreal -- I'm with Sue and I'll stick to the croissant when I'm there!
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Montreal is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. If you approach it, from a food perspective, as solely a "French" city then you are truly missing out. So try a bagel (or some manicotti, or spanokopita, or tapas, or...) while you are there.
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I have never gotten a decent Pizza in Montreal, not once. I love everything else about the city, but they should, collectively, give up on Pizza.

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Sue U wrote:but even more I loves the bialys.
Guinevere wrote:Hmmmmm fresh bagels, with a schmear, lox,
Scooter wrote:or some manicotti, or spanokopita
Ok, I consider myself reasonably trendy on foody stuff, but you've just beat me hands down, WTF are all these?
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Gob wrote:
Sue U wrote:but even more I loves the bialys.
Guinevere wrote:Hmmmmm fresh bagels, with a schmear, lox,
Scooter wrote:or some manicotti, or spanokopita
Ok, I consider myself reasonably trendy on foody stuff, but you've just beat me hands down, WTF are all these?
Bialy = doughy round yeast roll which is like a bagel but is baked instead of boiled, and doesn't have a hole in the center, only a depression

Schmear = slang for cream cheese
Lox = cured (not smoked) salmon

Manicotti = pasta tube stuffed with a cheesy filling, usually served baked with red sauce on top
Spanikopita = greek phylo pastry with a spinach/feta/onion filling, usually in the shape of a triangle
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Guin--I believe lox is brine cured and then cold smoked; at least nova lox is.

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Many thanks Guin!
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Guinevere wrote:Hmmmmm fresh bagels, with a schmear, lox, capers, and a sliver of red onion. Heaven. But heaven in Montreal -- I'm with Sue and I'll stick to the croissant when I'm there!
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Big RR wrote:Guin--I believe lox is brine cured and then cold smoked; at least nova lox is.
"Nova" lox, and I think the Scottish-style salmon as well, is cold smoked after curing, but straight lox or gravlax (as my dad made it) is brine-cured only.

And delicious, also.

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I've had gravalax as well, and agree it's good (but I prefer Nova); I didn't realize it wasn't cold smoked, I just thought the brine was different.

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I'll take my lox any time I can get 'em. Now I'm going to have to go buy some for the weekend!!
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"gravalax"? Did I stumble onto some weird third dimension board where English has been replaced by Nadsat?
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Welcome to civilization Gob, please wipe your feet.

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