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New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:23 am
by Gob
For the first time in living memory, New York has spent a day entirely without violent crime.



The city police department's chief spokesman said that Monday was the most bloodshed-free 24-hour period in recent history.

Not a single murder, shooting, stabbing or other incident of violent crime was reported for a whole day.

Despite a July spike in homicides, the city's murder rate is on target to hit its lowest point since 1960.

Just a few months ago, residents were living through what one tabloid newspaper called the "summer of blood".

Despite the fall in homicides, statistics point to a 3% overall rise in crime.

There has also been a 9% increase in larceny, which police blame on a surge in smartphone thefts.

But killings are now down 23% compared with last year, which represents a 50-year low.

There have been 366 murders so far this year in New York City, compared with 472 at this time last year.

Experts say such a low number of homicides is highly unusual for a US city of eight million people.

Gang-plagued Chicago, Illinois, has chalked up 462 murders this year, despite having a population of about 2.7 million people.

There have been 301 murders in 2012 in the city of Philadelphia, which has 1.5 million people.

Some experts are praising the New York police department's aggressive crime-prevention tactics, notably the so-called Stop And Frisk policy, which has rooted out dozens of illegal guns.

But critics argue that it has led to hundreds of thousands of young blacks and Latinos being stopped without cause.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:40 am
by Econoline
I expect that in a few days, some embarassed city official will discover that this statistical anomaly was just some sort of a computer glitch... ;)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:49 am
by Miles
Well someone better nip this in the bud or New Yorkers will lose their standing as tough sons a bitches and we certainly could'nt have that now could we? :shrug

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:50 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Maybe we are so tuff that the criminals are getting scared of us?
Just a thought.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:59 pm
by Lord Jim
News Flash...

Crime has been way down in NYC since the 90's....(Giuliani deserves a lot of credit for that)

It's not the "Crime Capitol Of The World" it was back in the 70's and 80's, and hasn't been for some time....

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:04 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
And the city "looks" better than it did in the 70's and 80's. Times Square is now a must go to destination for all who visit not guys looking for a quickie.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:17 pm
by rubato
Violent crime has gone down nationally since about 1991 about by 2001 had reached levels only seen in the 1960s. Giuliani only deserves credit for that amount greater than the national average, if any, by which crime has declined in NYC.

Stephen Levitt has an interesting theory about the national decline.

Later.

yrs,
rubato

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:04 pm
by Lord Jim
And the city "looks" better than it did in the 70's and 80's. Times Square is now a must go to destination for all who visit not guys looking for a quickie.
Yes Times Square has changed quite a bit...

I remember going through there in the early 80's and stopping in a porno emporium where they had women sitting in glass boxes where you were supposed pick up a phone, (like in a prison) and talk to her and tell her what you wanted her to do (with a variety of, uh, "party favors" sitting there next to her...) as jaded as I was as a Washingtonian, that was sufficiently surprising to me that I ran out of the place...

In '86 on the 4th Of July for the re-opening of The Statue of Liberty, I went up there to hang out with some friends, and bought a dime bag of weed in Times Square from a pot merchant who was not just selling it, but yelling the fact that he had it for sale, while two of New York's Finest stood a few feet away, paying no attention....

Several years ago, I was in NY on business, and what a change....

Times Square is so different from those days, I could take my kids through there...

Whole different ball game...

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:12 pm
by dales
OTOH.....SF is going down the tubes.

Why is that?

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:42 pm
by Lord Jim
Well Dale, it's not going down the tubes out here in The Avenues in The Outer Sunset...

There are pockets of civilization, even in this burg.... 8-)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:03 pm
by dales
The tourists don't come to the Avenues, instead they spend their money where the bums and naked men roam.

That is a major embarassment to the godd citizens of SF.

If SF would start enforcing quality of life crimes like NYC did 30 years ago, The City might recapture some of the glamour that it once held.

Instead, the fecal matter continues.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:27 pm
by Lord Jim
Instead, the fecal matter continues.
The stretch on Market Street between 9th and 2nd is a disgrace to humanity....It's a huge outdoor toilet...

I remember taking Tati down to the Commonwealth Club for a kiddie Christmas thing they had going on...

I carried her all the way from the BART station because I didn't want her to step in anything and ruin her shoes...

I wouldn't let my dogs walk on that stretch of Market Street... (I'd be afraid they'd get a hypodermic needle in their paws)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:00 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Sounds like you guys need some "pooper scooper" laws.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:22 pm
by Miles
oldr_n_wsr wrote:Sounds like you guys need some "pooper scooper" laws.
Might I reccomend the scooper be big enough to pick up the "pooper", metiphorically or course. ;)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:28 pm
by Long Run
They might have to start filming cop shows in places like Portland. 8-)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:49 pm
by Sue U
Meanwhile, a little drive down the Jersey Turnpike, my hometown set a new record for homicides a few days ago:
Camden, N.J., sets homicide record

Jim Walsh, (Cherry Hill, N.J.) Courier-Post Staff

The city recorded its 59th slaying Friday; the previous high was set in 1995.

2:41PM EST November 17. 2012 - CAMDEN, N.J. — The city of Camden set a grim record Friday, with its 59th homicide of the year.

The latest victim was shot dead in the city's Fairview section around 11:30 a.m, according to the Camden County Prosecutor's Office.

Additional details were not immediately available, but radio dispatches said police were seeking a masked man.

The previous high mark for homicides was 58, set in 1995.

The city tied the record on Nov. 9 when a Cherry Hill man died from injuries suffered in a beating seven days earlier. Gregory Holder, 45, had been attacked by two men during an apparent drug dispute, authorities said.

His case remains under investigation. No arrests have been made.

Violence aside, the homicide total could still increase, as the victim of an Oct. 21 shooting remains on life support at Cooper University Hospital.

Jimmy Cortes Jr., 20, of Barrington was shot multiple times during a pre-dawn confrontation between two groups of men.

The city's homicide toll, which has varied from year to year, hit 52 last year. That was up from 37 in 2010 and 34 in 2009.

Law enforcement officials have attributed the surge in violence in part to massive layoffs that nearly halved staffing levels at the city's police department in early 2011.

Camden currently has about 270 police officers. There were about 335 officers in 1995, according to Courier-Post records.

This year's homicides include the horrific deaths of two city children over the summer — a toddler decapitated by his mother and a 6-year-old boy whose throat was slit by an intruder.

In addition, a masked gunman last month killed two young people — 18-year-old Jewel Manire and 20-year-old Khalil Gibson — as they sat in a car in the Fairview section. Three people were also wounded in that attack, which remains unsolved.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012 ... /1711157/#

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:58 pm
by Lord Jim
Sounds like you guys need some "pooper scooper" laws.
Oh oldr, how can a New Yorker be so naive....

I'm not talking about people not cleaning up behind their pooches... 8-)

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:59 pm
by Andrew D
I am not surprised that people crap on the sidewalks, etc., in SF:
Sex, drugs and filth plague city-sponsored public restrooms

Prostitution and drug use aren’t what San Francisco bargained for 14 years ago when it allowed a private company to install public restrooms across the city. But among the 25 freestanding units, several have been routinely closed for a week or more because they were regularly hijacked by junkies and sex workers.

Even when used by legitimate patrons, the toilets have been hard to keep up to modern sanitary standards. Most of the so-called “self-cleaning” toilets are now so filthy that even after automatic cleanings, they require one to five manual scrub-downs each day.

How messy are we talking about? One indication: Homeless people in the Tenderloin say they are so repulsed by the conditions inside that they avoid using the bathrooms, preferring to relieve themselves on adjacent sidewalks, alleyways and bushes.
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Drugs are commonplace in the units, as they serve as convenient, private spaces that cannot be unlocked from the outside — ideal for getting a quick fix. In more than a dozen visits to four public restrooms over the last month, a Public Press reporter found two where hypodermic needles were strewn across the floor.

There are also clear signs of prostitution at a bathroom just beyond the balcony of Mayor Ed Lee’s office — even during business hours. At the self-cleaning facility in Civic Center Plaza, just steps from City Hall, the automatic door stayed open just long enough for one man to come out and another to go in, while a woman who remained inside entertained each for up to half an hour. (Rules posted on the bathroom limit occupancy to one adult at a time, with a 20-minute maximum.)
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But the network of city toilets isn’t as clean as city officials had first promised. What was intended to be a service for poor residents without access to basic hygiene, as well as a relief for tourists, has become a health hazard for undaunted patrons and the staff who clean and maintain them.

Robot janitors not enough

The facilities are designed to clean themselves during a 55-second automatic cycle in which a cleaning solution is sprayed on all inside surfaces. But the bathrooms weren’t designed for the job of cleaning up after drug users who leave needles and the other paraphernalia behind, or those who disable the doors by wedging them shut from the inside. The loads of garbage and human waste that end up everywhere often remain, soaked with detergent, until a human janitor bags them.

Public Works spokeswoman Chan insisted that the city was not responsible for the maintenance, cleanliness or safety of the facilities. Rather, it is written into the city’s 20-year contract with JCDecaux that the company must keep the facilities in a “clean, graffiti-free, safe, and first-class condition” by providing “the necessary personnel to assure the maintenance of Automatic Public Toilets.”

As a result the facilities, which frequently go in and out of service because of mechanical trouble, trash or police activity, are shuttered by the city. For residents of low-income, high-density neighborhoods such as the Tenderloin, that means the closure of the only bathrooms available to the public at night.
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Community activists say the filth is equally distressing. Dina Hilliard, interim director of the North of Market/Tenderloin Community Benefit District, which advocates for better public services in the neighborhood, said that in their current condition, the city’s public bathrooms are not a safe option.

“Those of us who know them don’t want to use a bathroom like that,” Hilliard said. “You don’t know who is going to be inside or who is going to greet you when they come out.”
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When Vongseni arrives each morning at the City Hall bathroom, he usually encounters broken toilet parts that need fixing, five or six drug needles and often an inexplicable amount of excrement spread everywhere.

“Every day it’s a huge mess,” he said. “There’s poop on the floor, poop on the wall.” He said the maintenance crews “get together after work and complain. We don’t know how they do it.”
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The toilet at City Hall is among the most heavily used, with maintenance records clocking in just over 500 uses in two days over a recent weekend. But Vongseni said the other two public restrooms in the Tenderloin, located at McCauley and Boeddeker parks, are equally unclean.

Wedged between a small fenced-in children’s playground and the New Century strip club on Larkin and O’Farrell streets, the McCauley Park facility is frequently trashed. At 11 a.m. on a recent weekday, a pair of pink-striped children’s underwear was found stuffed beneath feces in the metal toilet bowl. The restroom receives about 70 flushes a day, and despite being serviced four to five times daily, it is constantly abused.

Because of the number of complaints of illicit activities after hours, the city ordered JCDecaux to close the McCauley Park restroom between 7 p.m. and 7 a.m.

“It helped a little bit, but I think it’s an out-of-sight, out-of-mind mentality,” said Adam Solarzano, director of operations for JCDecaux. “The cops could help us, but they don’t.”

The other bathroom, at Boeddeker Park at the corner of Eddy and Jones streets, just opposite the Tenderloin Police Station, stayed closed for three weeks over February and March due to construction. It then reopened — only to see a return to its state of misuse.

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:22 pm
by rubato
dales wrote:OTOH.....SF is going down the tubes.

Why is that?
The Embarcadero renovation was a huge improvement under his "Willyness" as was the new ballpark*. The Presidio takeover and renovations are a huge improvement. The new California Academy of Sciences, continuing improvements of the Exploratorium, new art museums. It is still close to the global center of innovation; more creative, smart, driven people are near here than anywhere else in the world.

There are significant problems (CCSF being a big one) but the city overall is not doing badly considering the Republican-engineered financial crisis which has engulfed the state. It is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, my sister was married at a hotel in Sausalito with views of the city and the bay and when you watch the sunlight drift back across the pacific and the lights come on in SF it is truly magic.

Ok, there was some champagne and an open bar involved too. But if you've been there you know what I'm talking about.



yrs,
rubato

Re: New York, letting the USA down!!!

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:44 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
So what we have is the never ending clash between the classes.
Here, one is pointing to public toilets being unclean and not kept up due to whomever does what and how the politicos have handled the situation.
Then we have another saying how great the champagne sipping crowd is as they hoist a glass to another publicly financed museum. A museum that caters to the champagne crowd.

Any of those poor people that republicans presumably don't care about attend that (I assume predominately democratic/liberal) museum champagne launch?

Glad you enjouyed your chamagne, I'll have a gatorade as I gut a Mastic Beach house this weekend to try and get another homeless family back into their house as soon as possible. But you are right, museums are important. Now if they had a fund raiser at the door, and sent 100% of the funds raised to those in need (not necesseraly here on LI/east coast) then it would mean something.

Enjoy.

ETA
and you accuse me of being ignorant. :loon