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These two posts are something I would have agreed with a couple of weeks ago:
by oldr_n_wsr » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:08 am
Looks good, but I would not have the soap dispenser.
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by Guinevere » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:12 am
I don't have the soap dispenser either. Just one elegant faucet (pic below) and the blue enamel (which is a bit darker than it appears here).
Then we had a new faucet put in, with the hole for the soap dispenser. I asked the plumber who I like and has done work for me before if anyone ever uses the soap dispenser. And he said, sure, he uses his all the time. Then he explained that you put the soap in from the top -- just pull out the top piece and feed a thinner liquid soap in from above -- and no need to get under the sink to unscrew the bottle. He noted that I was one of many he had educated on this. I described this to several friends and their common reaction was, "Who knew?" No more bottle of liquid soap at the sink -- one less piece of kitchen clutter.

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I keep my hand soap under the sink.
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Hmmm good idea. I'll run it by the household design guild and see what she thinks. Or I might just do it and then offer to take it out if she objects.

If she likes it it will be a happy surprise. If she doesn't, taking it out will be a peace offering. Win-Win!



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Hmmm good idea. I'll run it by the household design guild and see what she thinks.
She's a guild, now?

Time for a weight reduction program. :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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5ft 9in and 124lbs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild
"A guild is an association of partisans who control the practice of their craft in a particular town home. The earliest types of guild were formed as confraternities of workers. They were organized in a manner something between a trade union, a cartel, and a secret society. "

Our household responsibilities are divided between different guilds depending on the abilities skills and proclivities of the various potential guild members.

My guilds include the yard design and maintenance (pruning, tree planting, watering, plant acquisition with occasional input from the design guild), automotive, general repair, carpet cleaning, long-term financial planning (savings rates and instruments, home refinancing), taxes, weekday cooking, fielding solicitors both on the phone and at the door, &c.

Her guilds include home design both interior and exterior with some input from the other guilds, weekly bill paying, keeping the social calendar, weekend and higher-skilled cooking, cooking for guests (about 4 times a month these days).

We share general cleaning and each does his/her own laundry.


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Soap is corrosive especially anti bacterial (I recommend this type of soap never get used anyhow) it will eventually etch and of course corrode any metal it comes in contact with.

Guins way is best...
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keld feldspar wrote:Soap is corrosive especially anti bacterial (I recommend this type of soap never get used anyhow) it will eventually etch and of course corrode any metal it comes in contact with.

Guins way is best...

I have trouble believing that soap, in general, is significantly corrosive. Some soaps may have some residual hydroxide from the soap-making process and things with phosphates might be an issue if they're acidified.

I only found one direct reference and it said that the listed SSteels are completely resistant to soap.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KXwgAZ ... CEAQ6AEwAg


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I like your set-up, rubato.

I did all the outside stuff, car stuff, and repairs.

She did the inside stuff.

Both kids made a mess of things.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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rubato wrote:
keld feldspar wrote:Soap is corrosive especially anti bacterial (I recommend this type of soap never get used anyhow) it will eventually etch and of course corrode any metal it comes in contact with.

Guins way is best...

I have trouble believing that soap, in general, is significantly corrosive. Some soaps may have some residual hydroxide from the soap-making process and things with phosphates might be an issue if they're acidified.

I only found one direct reference and it said that the listed SSteels are completely resistant to soap.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KXwgAZ ... CEAQ6AEwAg


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Google 1st article that popped up
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Which says that soaps in general do not cause corrosion, only acidic soaps do.
"The pH (acid) level of the soap should be in the range of 6.5 to 8.5. More acidic soaps (pH levels lower
than 6.5) will corrode metal parts (even stainless steel!!) and degrade rubber and plastic components.
They will also cause skin irritation. Most inexpensive soaps (typically the pink lotion type) fall into this
acidic category and will eventually cause valve failure and metal corrosion. Base soaps (pH levels
higher than 8.5) will cause swelling or degradation of rubber and plastic parts and skin irritation."
Because nitric acid and citric acid, which even in somewhat dilute solutions have a pH much lower than 6.5 actually passivate SSteel and inhibit corrosion I am doubtful that they are really experts in the field of corrosion. Chloride acids corrode SSteel but that is due to the oxidative effect of chloride, not acid per se. Phosphoric acid is highly corrosive and even dissolves glass. When we buy concentrated phosphoric acid (which we used a lot of 2 years ago) it is always in plastic bottles as a result.

"higher than 8.5" is interesting because that is close to the point where phenols are deprotonated. [pKa= 9.5 - 10] Phenols are used in anti-bacterial soaps. (which I agree are a mistake)

Phenols are interesting because they are MUCH easier to deprotonate than most alcohols. Alcohols are REALLY hard to deprotonate. Phenols have several resonance structures where the odd electron can be moved around between different carbon atoms so it multiplies the ability to stabilise that form. Regular primary alcohols have a pKa around 16-18. So phenols are between 1 million and 10 million times as acidic! Pretty amazing.:

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Phenols have come up a lot in my career from finding methods to extract them, to using thermoset phenolic polymers (novolaks), to alkylating them to make anisols &c.


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I stand corrected.

I still echo Guins soap storage program...
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I put a soap dispenser in my sink about 15 years ago. It wasn't until the second time I needed to refill it that I realized I could fill it from the top. And that was because I somehow accidentally pulled the dispenser out of the top and thought to myself, "Hey look! I bet I can pour the soap in through the top."

Filling instructions were probably explained in the directions, but I am man.

Not need direction.

In regards to soap causing corrosion, even if it did, how would having a soap dispenser installed in your sink be a problem? Was there another thread about this subject?

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I have a soap dispenser in my current sink. It has never worked properly and it's impossible to keep clean. I'm looking forward to the cleaner lines without it, but that's mostly personal preference.

I was straightening up a couple of months ago and realized that if I didn't want to keep the hand soap out, I could put it under the sink with the dish soap, sponges, pot brushes, etc. What a lightbulb! I do keep it out when I'm cooking or cleaning, and when the boyz are visiting, but then it goes away again.
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In regards to soap causing corrosion, even if it did, how would having a soap dispenser installed in your sink be a problem? Was there another thread about this subject?
In your haste to quibble did you not see my Retraction?

If not let me repeat, I'm sorry I was wrong please feel free to use liquid soap in sink side dispensers I'm a complete buffoon and have absolutely no concept of reality.

Should I post more or will that suffice?
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keld feldspar wrote:
If not let me repeat, I'm sorry I was wrong please feel free to use liquid soap in sink side dispensers I'm a complete buffoon and have absolutely no concept of reality.

Should I post more or will that suffice?
I understand your retraction. What I don't understand is how corrosive soap would be a problem in a soap dispenser.

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I guess I'm so out of touch I just assumed all dispensers were metal.
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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Oh... now I get it.

The only ones I've seen that connect to the sink are plastic.

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youse guys crack me up :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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If I were getting a nice new sink like Guin, I would keep it simple with just the single faucet hole as Guin has done. But most sinks come with the extra hole for the soap dispenser and I always thought it a waste until I was enlightened (which apparently arrived long after most of the smart folks on this board!) As for having the hand soap under the sink, that can work depending on how many young people or others inhabit the house and where the next closest sink is, unless you're good a training people to be tidy.

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These days, you can order your sink custom, and specify number of holes (most can have 1-4).
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