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Australia's capital city turns 100 this weekend, but Canberra, like so many other purpose-built capitals around the world, is still struggling to convince outsiders that it has more to offer than political hot air, says Madeleine Morris.

"Canberra: Why wait for death?" was Bill Bryson's blistering judgement in his 2000 travelogue Down Under. "Pyongyang without the dystopia," was the verdict of the Economist in 2009.

If Sydney is brash and bold, and Melbourne is cool and classy, then Canberra, at least in the Australian public imagination, is dull and devoid of soul.

"Canberra: it's not that bad" is the caption on a well-known car licence plate in the capital city. Talk about damning with faint praise.

"My friend put it well - Canberra is like going to grandma's house," says Jenna Clarke, life and entertainment editor of the Canberra Times. "Other Australian cities are doing brash, creative things but here everything is wrapped in plastic. It doesn't mean it's bad. Canberra is just very mature and knows what it's doing."

Poor old Canberra. Few cities do well when they begin as a compromise.

After Australia became a federation in 1901, Melbourne and Sydney couldn't agree on which of the two would host Australia's new parliament. After years of bickering, a middle way was found - a tiny rural community 300km (186 miles) south-west of Sydney would be the national capital.

Following the example of Washington DC, it would be situated in a specially designated capital territory, so no state could hold sway over federal politicians.

An international competition was held to choose the best design for the brand new city. Chicago husband and wife architects Walter and Marion Griffin won and construction of their bold geometric pattern featuring circles, triangles and hexagons eventually began in 1913.

A century later, Canberra is home to Australia's upper and lower houses of parliament, the High Court, the National Gallery, a large number of government departments and the country's military training academies. Its 350,000 residents live in seven distinct districts, each with its own commercial centre.

The effect of the Griffins' quirky design is that each district is separated by leafy scrub, allowing Canberrans to have a perpetual feeling of being surrounded by the bush. It also, its detractors say, means inhabitants struggle to get the communal feel that unites a city.

Like many other purpose-built administrative capitals - Brazil's Brasilia, Burma's Naypyidaw, Pakistan's Islamabad - its high-design layout hasn't managed to capture the heart and soul of the country it rules.

"Administrative capitals are normally a feature of federation, such as in Brazil, Australia and the US," says Professor Peter McDonald of the Australian National University, a well-known demographer and long-time Canberra resident.

"I think in that kind of circumstance, it is a bit of a negative for new administrative cities because they're part of a federal system - each of the states has its own centre and each of the states is more interested in its own centre."

Some former residents are less kind.

"It's this beacon of mediocrity where everything it does it does to be reasonable. It's a pantheon of being ordinary," says Andrew Ure, a former public servant who called Canberra home for six years before escaping to a public relations job in Sydney.

"It should be awesome because it's full of young, smart people. You'd think they could stay there but there's just nothing there for them. So every Friday at 5pm there is a traffic jam of cars full of people going to Sydney for the weekend."

A lack of nightlife is one of the most common complaints made about Canberra. Ure talks incredulously of once having a glass of wine literally taken out of his hand at 8pm on a Tuesday because the bar owner wanted to close.

There are certainly world-class food and drink options to be found, but some have their quirks, says Jenna Clarke of the Canberra Times.

"What I'm struggling to comprehend is some of the operating hours of cafes. You go to some places and the kitchen will close at 2pm and won't open until 5pm. But the food is worth waiting for, and bars do open all hours."

Canberra is fine if you have young children and "you're happy being quiet", maintains Ure. "But for me, the drive when I left Canberra was the greatest drive of my life."

Canberra does seem to have trouble convincing professionals to move there, despite high pay and world-class services.

At the emergency department of the city's second largest public hospital, Calvary, an estimated 70-75% of the doctors don't live in the city or its surrounds, including the department head who regularly commutes four hours by plane from his family home in Perth.

But Canberra is using its centennial celebrations to mount a fightback.

"We think we are at least the equal of any other city in Australia and we'd like to be seen that way, rather than in the disparaging terms of an artificial city, or a city that isn't normal," says Jeremy Lasek, the executive director of Canberra's centenary celebrations.

An impressive programme of cultural and sporting events is already underway, and Lasek says the city is expecting record visitor numbers in 2013.

"People are curious and they're coming. A lot of the criticism comes from people who have not been here for 10 years or more. Some have never been here."

The most annoying thing about living in Canberra is "dealing with Canberra-bashers", agrees Kylie Bates, who works in international sports development and lived in the city for six years.

"It's frustrating to have to defend the city you have chosen to live in, even if the best defence you can muster up is, 'It's not that bad!'"

She cites a new generation of hipster cafes and bars and a new energy brought on by the centenary as evidence the city is, after 100 years, maturing into more than just the home of politicians and public servants.

"It's like Canberra has a new dress code and a relaxed vibe to go with it. Given the prevalence of fleeces, denim and public service security passes a few years ago, it's an aesthetic, if not original, improvement."
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One theory is its name comes from the local Aboriginal word for "woman's cleavage" because it's nestled between two hills

Pronounced with only two syllables, Can-bra - calling it Can-beh-ra will mark you out at a tourist

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Since The Lodge became the prime minister's official residence in 1927, every PM has lived there except John Howard
What a majority of critics fail to realise, mainly because they have never been to Canberra, is that it is actually a very vibrant and wonderful city. It's ideal for some, but not all. There again, I could claim London, Paris, Rome, Prague, Berlin, Marrakesh, Tunis, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and other capital cities I have spent time in are horrible places, as they do not suit my lifestyle, and at least I have actually been there to be able to say that.
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Bah! The more arses that don't come here, the happier I'll be.
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What's Hulu excuse for the one you brought there?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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What a majority of critics fail to realise, mainly because they have never been to Canberra, is that it is actually a very vibrant and wonderful city.
And yet I don't put the whole country down for a few baddies.

Sorry Gob, I'm still a little ticked off at your comment about the USA.

I would love to come to Australia and some day I hope I can. I would visit with you guys and another Aussie who I call a great friend even though I have never met her in person (alice). And would love to see the country as from your photo's it a really beautiful.

Sorry buddy, you hurt me.

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Rename it Yogiberra and become known for training hatha masters regarded for their malpropisms.* That would show some character!

*And in reality, this would not take much effort since the city is already full of posers uttering nonsense. ;)

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:And yet I don't put the whole country down for a few baddies.

Sorry Gob, I'm still a little ticked off at your comment about the USA.

Sorry buddy, you hurt me.

Whoopsy, :o Totally unintentional, please let me know which comment so I do not repeat the error! :(
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I believe oldr misunderstood your comment in another thread Gob. It was the one where you said you would not judge all Americans by Rubato's comments. You used the phrase 'wreck of a place' (or similar) in describing America but I think oldr missed your use of the word 'if'.

Oldr, Gob didn't actually call America a wreck, read it again. He said that that's what he would think of the place if all Americans were like Rubato.
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He said that that's what he would think of the place if all Americans were like Rubato.
He's not alone in that...
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Ah, I wonder if that would be the one.

Any place which had rubato as a spokesman would be a wretched place. I stand by that statement, and it was not, and should not, be intepreted as a slur on the USA, (on rubato however.....)

I stand by my apology, as O-n-W is one of the gentlemen of the board, however, I am glad that the offense was caused by O-n-W misinterpreting what I had said, and not by what I said.
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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
What a majority of critics fail to realise, mainly because they have never been to Canberra, is that it is actually a very vibrant and wonderful city.
And yet I don't put the whole country down for a few baddies.

Sorry Gob, I'm still a little ticked off at your comment about the USA.

I would love to come to Australia and some day I hope I can. I would visit with you guys and another Aussie who I call a great friend even though I have never met her in person (alice). And would love to see the country as from your photo's it a really beautiful.

Sorry buddy, you hurt me.
He's never been here and didn't even know we had many indigenous cultures and languages. He knows nothing about the U.S.


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didn't even know we had many indigenous cultures and languages
No need to apologise rubato - we're working on that problem
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rubato wrote: He's never been here and didn't even know we had many indigenous cultures and languages. He knows nothing about the U.S.
That's right, in fact the 'Tonto' character in the Lone Ranger movies left Gob completely befuddled.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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It's just another of his lies about what went on on the CSB, ignore him. :D
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Sean wrote:
rubato wrote: He's never been here and didn't even know we had many indigenous cultures and languages. He knows nothing about the U.S.
That's right, in fact the 'Tonto' character in the Lone Ranger movies left Gob completely befuddled.
Not to mention 'Dances with Wolves' which to Gob appeared to involve one actor, some wolves and mysteriously talking trees on horses.
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My misinterpretation and my bad. Gob is a good bloke and I should not have jumped to conclusions. Sorry.
Again
My bad.

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Nope, I'm happy to take my share of the blame O-n-W, I should have phrased it better! Mea culpa.
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Oh get a room...
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Let's just say that you're both complete and utter bastards and move on! :lol:
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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But I'm a good complete and utter bastard. :nana

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