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The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:50 pm
by Joe Guy
Dad's Love Letter to Gay Teenage Son Goes Viral

By Beth Greenfield, Shine Staff | Parenting – 5 hours ago

“I overheard your phone conversation with Mike last night about your plans to come out to me,” it reads. “The only thing I need you to plan is to bring home OJ and bread after class. We are out, like you now. I’ve known you were gay since you were six, I’ve loved you since you were born.”

He signs it “Dad” and finishes with a post script: “Your mom and I think you and Mike make a cute couple.”

The letter was posted on the Facebook page of FCKH8.com, an organization aimed at empowering youth through its snarky, gay-positive T-shirts, videos and activist campaigns. Fans often send in photos of inspiring items, from cakes topped with “I’m gay!” to jack o’lanterns carved with “FCKH8.”

“We get a lot of crazy stuff, so I almost didn’t look at it,” FCKH8.com founder Luke Montgomery told Yahoo! Shine about the letter, which was emailed to them by Nate, a Michigan high-school student. But when he did read it, he said, “I cried.”

He said Nate’s family did not want to share any information besides the letter itself. But the four sentences alone have been enough to inspire a bit of an online frenzy.

“It’s actually sad so many people are excited about it,” Mongtomery said. “And what I think that says is, one, it’s rare, and that’s really bad. And two, people are really craving this kind of reaction.” The website founder, a 39-year-old gay man who has a strained relationship with his Christian fundamentalist parents—especially since he drove around the country in a “Legalize Love” campaign in support of Obama last fall—was personally touched by the note’s simple, powerful message.

“It’s what I want,” he explained. “It’s what everyone wants.”

The national organization Parents and Families of Lesbian and Gays (PFLAG) also saw the letter and loved it.

“This letter is what PFLAG is all about—what child doesn’t want to receive unconditional love from his or her parents?” a spokesperson told Yahoo! Shine. “For some, like this dad, it comes quickly. For others, it may take time. But regardless of how or when they get there, parents need to have their kids’ backs, no matter what. So applause for Nate’s dad. And Nate? You better remember the OJ and bread!”

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Based on recent events, including Republican U.S. Sen. Rob Portman's now supporting gay marriage & Obama supporting the same, it seems quite obvious that a big step toward (legal) acceptance of gay people is inevitable and will be enacted soon.

In the not-so-distant future, people will look back and wonder how discrimination against gays was allowed to exist for such a long time in the U.S.

Way back when I was young(er) I remember telling my friends (probably while stoned and/or drunk) that people being gay will be considered "normal" in our society "in the future".

As I expected, a few friends expressed jokingly and maybe not so jokingly that I must be gay because I said that.

I even remember saying to one friend, Frank, "I would still consider you a good friend even if you turned out to be gay". Looking back, I think that was like saying, "You would still be my friend even if you were black." :oops:

Frank gave me a funny look.

Years later he came out of the closet.

And yes, we're still friends even though he's not black.

My point is, I think the time has finally come. When republicans have finally started accepting gay people as non-queer you know that it can't be too long before gay people are treated (legally) as equal as the rest of us heterosexuals.

What do you think?

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:58 pm
by Gob
[cynic] Sounds fake. [/cynic]

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:04 am
by Joe Guy
Gob wrote:[cynic] Sounds fake. [/cynic]
Now that you mention it, it probably is a fake letter.

Oh well...

I guess everything I said is irrelevant... :D

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:31 am
by rubato
20 years from now people will look back and wonder how the party which opposed civil rights for blacks, and which opposed equal rights for women, and which opposed equal right for homosexuals can think they ought to ever win an election?


yrs,
rubato

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:10 am
by Lord Jim
20 years from now people will look back and wonder how the party which opposed civil rights for blacks, and which opposed equal rights for women, and which opposed equal right for homosexuals can think they ought to ever win an election?
20 minutes from now, people will look back and wonder how anyone could be addle brained enough to conclude that 46 was 1/4 of eighty....or how anyone could say something as idiotic as " The British have had a 4th rate navy since the American Revolution" or "The Poles weren't victims of the Nazis"...

Or how the author of all of that ignorance would have the temerity to attempt to lecture to anyone else about anything... :lol:

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:16 am
by Crackpot
People are way passed wondering anything like that

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:47 pm
by Big RR
rubato wrote:20 years from now people will look back and wonder how the party which opposed civil rights for blacks, and which opposed equal rights for women, and which opposed equal right for homosexuals can think they ought to ever win an election?


yrs,
rubato
The republicans opposed civil rights for blacks? Check the voting patterns on the civil rights act of 1964 or the voting rights act (1965) and you'll see significant republican support--indeed, the biggest opposition came fro the southern democrats, not the republicans.

As for opposing equal rights for gays, how many democrats voted for the defense of marriage act?

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:05 pm
by Scooter
Too many. But there was only one party that set gay people up as a boogeyman over and over and over again as a means of firing up its own base and splitting its opposition.

And as for southern Democrats who opposed civil rights for blacks, funny thing, now they call themselves Republicans.

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:35 pm
by Lord Jim
The republicans opposed civil rights for blacks? Check the voting patterns on the civil rights act of 1964 or the voting rights act (1965) and you'll see significant republican support--indeed, the biggest opposition came fro the southern democrats,
That is of course, an historical fact...without the support of then GOP Senate Leader Everett Dirksen, and many other Republicans, the landmark civil rights legislation of the mid 60's would never have been passed...(but you know rube..."Facts? Facts? I don't need know steenken' facts...")

Re DOMA....

At the time that the Defense of Marriage Act was passed, it headed off an effort to pass a Constitutional Amendment that would have enshrined marriage between a man and a woman as the only acceptable marriage in the Constitution....

This became an issue because the Supreme Court of one state at the time, (Massachusetts, if I remember correctly) had declared same sex marriages to be valid....

The country as a whole was not ready for this, and it set off a huge reaction from the public. If DOMA had not been passed, a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage would have sailed through both Houses of Congress by the requisite 2/3 majority, and easily won the adoption by 3/4 of the state legislatures, probably within a year...

DOMA provided cover for politicians in both parties to say, "We don't need to amend the Constitution over this; the Defense Of Marriage Act covers it..."

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:18 pm
by Gob
rubato wrote:20 years from now people will look back and wonder how the party which opposed civil rights for blacks, and which opposed equal rights for women, and which opposed equal right for homosexuals can think they ought to ever win an election?


yrs,
rubato
20 minutes from now people will wonder what the fuck the republican party, or any political party had to do with this letter.

Are you getting support for your Asperger syndrome?

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:30 pm
by Scooter
Lord Jim wrote:DOMA provided cover for politicians in both parties to say, "We don't need to amend the Constitution over this; the Defense Of Marriage Act covers it..."
Which is, of course, why Republicans continued to press for a constitutional amendment for years afterwards, and why, in fact, all but a handful of Republicans voted for a federal marriage amendment when it came up for a vote.

Let's not rewrite history too much, shall we? Republicans have been making political hay out of demonizing gays and lesbians for decades now, and the latter day conversions of a few of them, however heartfelt they may be, does nothing to erase that legacy of spite and malice.

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:56 pm
by Gob
and of course, what republicans may or may have not done, is irrelevant to the topic at hand....

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:56 am
by Sean
Is it just me who is a little bored that every second topic seems to turn into a Rep Vs Dem kiddy fight?

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:13 am
by Crackpot
You expect better from rube?

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:44 am
by Sean
I'm not about to write a list but there's more than Rube to fair...

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:58 am
by Crackpot
He' a good troll

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:59 am
by MajGenl.Meade
The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...
... unless of course they are opening for evil. Apparently it's a matter of opinion?

Meade

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:47 pm
by Big RR
Scooter wrote:Too many. But there was only one party that set gay people up as a boogeyman over and over and over again as a means of firing up its own base and splitting its opposition.

And as for southern Democrats who opposed civil rights for blacks, funny thing, now they call themselves Republicans.
Well, if you're trying to say that with dems gays get something approximating half a loaf, and with repubs they get something less, I can't argue. But the plain fact is that neither party has been particualrly active in promoting gay rights, and both have done quite a bit to prevent significant changes. Sure, the democrats are more sneaky--few stand up and bash gays as some repubs do, but neither party has much to be proud of in this area (and both have a lot to be ashamed of). Progress comes more from cooperation of some individuals across party lines (just as it did in the 60s when racial civil rights were debated).

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:25 pm
by Scooter
What I am saying is that the records of the two parties on this issue are not even remotely comparable, that EVERY legislative initiative to advance gay rights has been the result of overwhelming Democratic support in the face of overwhelming Republican opposition, and that we don't need a straight man with whatever chip you are carrying on your shoulder about the Democratic Party to be lecturing us about who our allies are, thank you very much.

Re: The Closets will soon be Opening for Good...

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:13 pm
by rubato
Scooter wrote:What I am saying is that the records of the two parties on this issue are not even remotely comparable, that EVERY legislative initiative to advance gay rights has been the result of overwhelming Democratic support in the face of overwhelming Republican opposition, and that we don't need a straight man with whatever chip you are carrying on your shoulder about the Democratic Party to be lecturing us about who our allies are, thank you very much.
Civil rights for blacks, equal rights for woman, and equal rights for homosexuals have been systematically blocked by Republicans and systematically supported by liberals.

Only a liar says otherwise.

yrs,
rubato