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Girls, move to Ireland!

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:02 pm
by Gob
We have to talk about the gender wage gap in Ireland. It's the highest in the world. But there's a catch. It's not men earning more than women. It's women -- those without children, at least -- earning more than men.

Irish women without kids earn 17 percent more than the typical male worker, according to new research from the OECD. Along with Australia, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands, it is one of four rich countries where women without children report higher wages than men. The graph below shows that gender pay gap. In Germany, the U.S., Korea, and Japan, by comparison, childless women average between 3% and 24% lower wages than men.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... at/266343/

Re: Girls, move to Ireland!

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:22 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Someday, sometime I would like to see a "job by job" graph rather than "jobs as a whole" Now my wife has a college degree but chose to work at a lesser job than her knowledge so that she could be home for hte kids. Right there is a built in disparity to most graphs. Come examine the female to male salaries here with the electrical engineers and you will see almost par, and the difference will be because the bosses are male. And why are the bosses male, because they never interrupted their careers. And I am not saying it is fair, but who would you promote? Someone who stayed in the job for x amount of years and proved themselves or someone who took off x months and may in the future? Fair? maybe not. But it is better business.
Take out those factors and I would think the end result would be close to even.

Re: Girls, move to Ireland!

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:57 pm
by dgs49
O&W, every competent survey I've ever seen has shown that except for a few pockets of disparity, the "gender pay gap" is largely a myth. Women make education, career, and life choices that have very real impacts on how much they earn, and these show up in a disparity of income when you only look at the gross numbers. When you normalize for education (not just the presence or absence of a degree, but what the major was), experience, hours worked, travel/relocation flexibility, and performance, the gap disappears.

But there is a whole army of wimmin who have a vested interest in keeping alive the myth of the "pay gap," to justify their own existence.

Re: Girls, move to Ireland!

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:19 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I think that's what I was saying.
Take out those factors and I would think the end result would be close to even.
I didn't mean to say that because the bosses, or higher level engineers are more likely to give higher pay to male engineers, just that more men are in those postitions than women and tend to have been in those positions longer and that leads to a larger salary, 10 continous yrs at 2% raises is more than 5 non-continuous yrs at 2% raises. So right there is a disparity between two Sr level engineers regardless of sex.