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The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:32 am
by Gob
Last week, the American Medical Association voted to classify obesity as a disease. But is being fat the same thing as being sick?

The decision came at the annual meeting of the American Medical Association (AMA).

Though a committee of experts recommended against classifying obesity as a disease, the association's delegates voted to approve the change.

And at a stroke, a third of the US population became diseased.

The immediate repercussions of the vote are not clear - while insurance companies may now be more inclined to cover obesity prevention and treatments, they are under no obligation to do so.

AMA president Ardis Hoven says the new designation will increase the focus on obesity treatment and prevention, and in doing so help medical professionals deal with the increasingly complex health problems associated with being overweight or obese.

Though obesity has been a health issue in the public eye for decades, doctors are not always equipped or prepared to help patients treat and prevent obesity-related illnesses.

Hoven says the vote will encourage doctors to change that, and will provide more training and education for both doctors and patients.

"When we are sitting in the examining room and talking about things to prevent weight gain and promote weight loss, what this is going to enable us to do is put together tools and teaching and education around better ways to impact patient responsiveness around our concerns about their obesity," she says.

For Americans who went to bed feeling fine and woke up with a disease, the new designation is alarming.

"Pretty uniformly people are not real happy about it," says Lesely Kinzel, associate editor at the website XOJane.com and author of Two Whole Cakes: How to Stop Dieting and Learn to Love Your Body.

Soon after the announcement of the decision, the hashtag #IAmNotADisease became popular on Twitter for those wishing to express their dismay with the decision.

Kinzel says that many fat people already have trouble accessing proper healthcare, because their ailments are not taken seriously except as an extension of their weight.

"You might go to the doctor with a twisted ankle or a head cold and be told you need to lose weight, which doesn't help with the twisted ankle or the head cold," she says.

She worries this classification will only make the problem worse.

New Jersey governor Chris Christie recently underwent weight-loss surgery
"It says that a fat person is inherently sick, and in need of special treatment for this visible sickness," she says, noting that at least a third of people who are classed as obese don't have any increased risk for diabetes or cardiac problems.

"It makes me worried that doctors are going to be less able to listen to patients."

On the other side of the debate, some worry that classifying obesity as a disability removes an element of personal responsibility.

"Are people going to start taking off work and claiming disability because they are obese? If restaurants are offering [high-caloric] items on the menu, does that open the door for people to sue?" asks Judy Gaman, a health and wellness consultant at Executive Medicine of Texas.

"When you take personal responsibility out of the equation, it opens the door for a lot of other things."

Marlene Schwartz, the acting director of the Rudd Center for Obesity and Food Policy at Yale University, says that calling obesity a disease could allow for obese people who require medical interventions to get the help they need.

But she cautions that such a classification can lead to stereotypes and oversimplification.

"To the extent that this helps people get the resources they need and convinces insurance companies that funding prevention is better, I'm all for it," she says.

"To the extent that it makes people feel badly about themselves and increases stigma, I'm more cautious."

Obesity, she says, is incredibly complicated. The idea that those with a Body Mass Index over 30 - the official mark for obese - just need to put down the hamburger and pick up a jump rope is reductive.

"The definition of obesity needs to take into account how complicated the issue of weight eating and physical activity is," she says.

She says a subset of those with a BMI over 30 are perfectly healthy, and that those who are not see a dramatic benefit from losing just 10% of their weight.

In those cases, a patient's health may change substantially, but their appearance and their BMI may not.

The designation of obesity as a disease, she says, has tremendous potential to help harness resources and direct attention to the potential health issues of those with a BMI over 30.

Used correctly, she says, the new classification should fight stigma.

"We need to be able to use this disease label to the extent that it makes people take obesity seriously, and not keep blaming people for being irresponsible," she says.

In the end, she says, everyone involved in this debate wants the same thing - for all Americans to enjoy nutritious food, physical activity, good health, and to feel comfortable with their bodies.

Whether this new classification will help with that mission that remains to be seen.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:07 pm
by dgs49
The point is to try to remove the stigma of...laziness, self-indulgence, fault... that often goes with being obese. If it is a disease, then dealing with it (treating it) becomes more than just, "Quit eating so much, you fat pig!"

Ultimately, we are all helpless organisms, controlled by our urges, tendencies, and self-perceived "needs." There is no objective "right" or "wrong," no morality, and no validity to any blame. We do what we must.

I think I'm going to go out and get a hamburger. I'm feeling diseased.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:44 am
by rubato
Being fat is being sick. High blood pressure. Diabetes. Degenerative joint diseases. &c.

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Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:40 am
by dales
Not to mention periods of extreme flatulence.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:59 am
by Sean
rubato wrote:Being fat is being sick. High blood pressure. Diabetes. Degenerative joint diseases. &c.

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rubato
Being fat is not being sick. Being fat puts one in a position to develope sickness.

Unprotected sex can lead to all sorts of nasty ailments. Can we expect to see bareback riding classified as a disease soon?

This kind of thing shits me to tears! Some people just don't want to take responsibility for their lifestyle choices...

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:09 pm
by rubato
Being fat is being sick; the development of measureable symptoms follows later on. A smoker is causing permanent injury to themselves long before the symptoms become clinical.


Calling it a disease absolves no one of anything. There are many diseases with behavioral components. Get over it.


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rubato

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:27 pm
by dgs49
Calling it a disease opens up new avenues for research in treatment. How long before we get a pill that retards assimilation of calories, thus resulting in weight loss? It can't be far off.

Coincidentally, I have a date with a surgeon on 7/5 to remove a lump, and his special area of expertise is obesity-related surgeries - which I assume means gastric bypass, lyposuction and SLTT. His waiting room was fully decorated with BEFORE and AFTER pictures of his patients. All were named locals. Some amazing results.

Side effects notwithstanding, my view is that these surgeries should be used more in cases of morbid obesity.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:36 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Being an alcoholic, I can see where some people have an obsession to eat. I know if I were to drink even one drink, the obsession to drink more would return and I may or may not be able to stop drinking until I passed out or something worse happened. Is that a disease? Better trained medical minds can make that determination. I liken my problem more to an allerrgy, where once exposed, weird things happen, mainly an overwhelming need to drink more. Could be the same with over eaters. Only problem is, I don't need to consume alcohol to live, not so with overeaters.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:57 pm
by Crackpot
Most surgeries don't address the the problems related to the weight giving a false sense of progress with no real health benefit. The problem with obesity is it quickly becomes a self perpetuating cycle. weight gain leads to hypertension, type 2 diabetes, high colesterol. airway problems etc. which leads to weight gain....

Myself as an example when I get my Diabetes under control I lose weight. During the 3 weeks I had my blood sugar under control I lost 7 pounds (and this was during the christmas feast season) then my insurance company decided to stop covering one of my meds which raised my blood sugar and over the next 5 months I gained 10 pounds After threatening to sue I got my meds back and I'm back below 260. hopefully the trend will continue. I know if I can drop my weight below 210 the likelyhood of me needing to take any weight related medication will be unlikely. At a certain point obesity goes way beyond simple whatch what you eat.

My short term goal is to consitently keep my blood sugar under control so I can get some airway surgery which has been a contirbuting factor to my wieght gain in the first place.

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:05 pm
by Long Run
Like most things, obesity is not so simple as a person eats too much or doesn't exercise enough. Undoubtedly there are genetic predispositions that make it hard to extremely hard for certain people to control their weight. So for some of us, it is easy or fairly easy to not become overweight, for others, it is very hard. Just as some people can drink alcohol with little risk of becoming addicted, others quickly become addicted. I am not sure anything changes much in calling obesity a disease, just as not much has changed for alcoholism gaining that distinction, or certain mental health conditions being classified as disorders (e.g., sex addiction).

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:15 am
by Sean
I remember reading a story some time ago about a woman who deliberately set out to become the Worlds' heaviest woman. I haven't heard anything about her recently but I'm sure that if she stuck with it she'd be fairly rotund by now. Should she be classed as having the same disease as a person who is genetically predisposed to gaining weight?

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:32 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
a person who is genetically predisposed to gaining weight?
Fine line there. In the rooms we have more people who have (or had) alcoholics in their family history than people who have no family history of alcoholism.
But then the "nurture vs nature" debate comes in. Does one have a genetic disposition to drink more? or was alcohol readily available and accepted and worshiped (for lack of a better word) while growing up thus learning drinking (even in excess) was acceptable, perhaps even promoted?

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:50 pm
by rubato
Sean wrote:I remember reading a story some time ago about a woman who deliberately set out to become the Worlds' heaviest woman. I haven't heard anything about her recently but I'm sure that if she stuck with it she'd be fairly rotund by now. Should she be classed as having the same disease as a person who is genetically predisposed to gaining weight?

Should a diabetic who developed the disease by over-eating be classed the same as someone who has a family history of diabetes and was never over-weight?

I think your obsession with blame and fault is clouding your judgement.


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rubato

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:55 pm
by rubato
oldr_n_wsr wrote:
a person who is genetically predisposed to gaining weight?
Fine line there. In the rooms we have more people who have (or had) alcoholics in their family history than people who have no family history of alcoholism.
But then the "nurture vs nature" debate comes in. Does one have a genetic disposition to drink more? or was alcohol readily available and accepted and worshiped (for lack of a better word) while growing up thus learning drinking (even in excess) was acceptable, perhaps even promoted?
Our biochemistry was developed over hundreds of thousands of years when food was generally in limited supply and alcohol was a relatively rare thing. We have not developed cultural habits to help us cope with this deficit yet but I think we're in the process of doing so.

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rubato

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:02 pm
by dales
The longer ETOH has been part of a culture, the more tolerance a given population has for its effects.

ie: American Indians resultant disaterous dealings with "firewater".

Re: The obesity debate rumbles on

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:30 am
by rubato
dales wrote:The longer ETOH has been part of a culture, the more tolerance a given population has for its effects.

ie: American Indians resultant disaterous dealings with "firewater".

They are very unusual in their metabolic systems. Many of them carry a 'thrifty' gene which allows them to live on very little food but causes staggering obesity when given the amounts an average lean European-American eats; like the Pima. I think there might be a relationship between that and alcohol intolerance.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 074958.htm
Genetics Has Key Role In Obesity

Oct. 17, 2007 — New evidence that genetics plays a key role in obesity is published in the International Journal of Bioinformatics Research and Applications. The findings relate to the genetics of modern Pima Indians who have an unusually high rate of obesity but the finding could be extrapolated to all people. Their obesity is thought to be linked to a thrifty metabolism that allowed them to metabolize food more efficiently in times when little was available but causes problems when food is in abundance.
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Mark Rowe, David McClellan, and colleagues at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, USA, have studied the effect of evolutionary selection on Pima Indians, a people indigenous to the present-day Sonora desert of Arizona and New Mexico. The researchers anticipated an effect consistent with higher metabolic efficiency among these people and focused specifically on recently discovered variations in their mitochondrial DNA, so-called SNPs, or single nucleotide polymorphisms.

The metabolic rates of 200 obese Pima individuals were measured and revealed that two of the three known SNPs influence metabolic efficiency. The researchers then used the genetics software TreeSAAP, to analyze the biochemical changes caused by these SNPs and then tracked the evolutionary selection of these genetic variations in 107 different types of mammals. This allowed them to propose a mechanism by which these SNPs affect the mitochondrial respiratory chain and consequently increase metabolic efficiency in the Pima people.

The team suggests that an increased metabolic efficiency could have been an evolutionary advantage. The SNPs may have persisted because they helped the Pima survive the harsh dietary environment of the Sonora desert throughout the history of the people. In the current environment of caloric over-consumption an increased efficiency is unfavorable and may contribute to the high rates of obesity among the Pimas.

While the Pima Indians are an extreme case, the entire human population may also have evolved in a restricted caloric environment, say the researchers. Many populations may exhibit similar SNPs that were advantageous to our ancestors but may now be detrimental. The presence of these SNPs may thus provide one explanation as to why obesity is so rife in the 21st century.
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