Mosque of England

[Gob]

Prince Charles’s coronation service should be opened with a reading from the Koran, a senior Church of England bishop said yesterday.\

The gesture would be a ‘creative act of accommodation’ to make Muslims feel ‘embraced’ by the nation, Lord Harries of Pentregarth said. But critics attacked the idea, accusing the Church of ‘losing confidence’ in its own institutions and traditions. Lord Harries, a former Bishop of Oxford and a leading CofE liberal thinker, said he was sure Charles’s coronation would give scope to leaders of non-Christian religions to give their blessing to the new King.

The former Bishop of Oxford, who continues to serve as an assistant bishop in the diocese of Southwark, made the suggestion about the Koran during a House of Lords debate. He told peers the Church of England should take the lead in ‘exercising its historic position in a hospitable way’. He said that at a civic service in Bristol Cathedral last year authorities had agreed to a reading of the opening passage of the Koran before the beginning of the Christian ritual. He said: ‘It was a brilliant creative act of accommodation that made the Muslim high sheriff feel, as she said, warmly embraced but did not alienate the core congregation.
‘That principle of hospitality can and should be reflected in many public ceremonies, including the next coronation service.’

Lord Harries’ suggestion comes more than 20 years after the Prince first said he would prefer to be seen as ‘Defender of Faith’ rather than be known by the monarch’s title of ‘Defender of the Faith’. Charles said in 1994 he ‘always felt the Catholic subjects of the sovereign are equally as important as the Anglican ones, as the Protestant ones’. ‘Likewise, I think that Islamic subjects, or the Hindu subjects, or the Zoroastrian subjects of the sovereign, are of equal and vital importance.’ In 2006 the Prince made known that he wanted a multifaith coronation that would be more ‘focused and telecentric’ than his mother’s in 1953.
However traditionalist Christians condemned Lord Harries’s idea.

Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute think-tank said: ‘Most people will be amazed at the idea that a Christian leader would consider the use of the Koran at a Christian service in a Christian abbey. People are just so disappointed when senior Church of England figures lose confidence in the claims of the Christian faith.’ Andrea Minichiello Williams, a member of the CofE’s parliament, the General Synod, and head of the Christian Concern pressure group, said: ‘At a time when we are looking at what British values mean, we cannot have values in a vacuum. British values stem from our Christian heritage. ‘We cannot pretend all religions are the same, or have the same benefits and outcomes for the nation.’ Douglas Murray, associate editor of the Spectator, said if Muslims were included in the coronation service, there must be room to for Hindus, Sikhs, and atheists. He added: ‘If there were to be a reading from the Koran at the coronation, surely as a matter of reciprocity, all mosques in the UK should have prayers for the King and the Armed Forces every week at Friday prayers.’

[wesw]

I couldn t get past the first paragraph.

[Lord Jim]

‘If there were to be a reading from the Koran at the coronation, surely as a matter of reciprocity, all mosques in the UK should have prayers for the King and the Armed Forces every week at Friday prayers.’

[Joe Guy]

Muslim vs Christian

[wesw]

that s funny!

[rubato]

... British values stem from our Christian heritage. ... "

British values stem from the rejection of Christianity which has led to an improved standard of living.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... ed_Kingdom
Attendance

Society in the United Kingdom is markedly more secular than it was in the past and the number of churchgoers fell over the second half of the 20th century.[50] The Ipsos MORI poll in 2003 reported that 18% were "a practising member of an organised religion".[44] The Tearfund Survey in 2007 found that only 7% of the population considered themselves as practising Christians. Ten per cent attend church weekly and two-thirds had not gone to church in the past year.[47][51] The Tearfund Survey also found that two thirds of UK adults (66%) or 32.2 million people have no connection with the Church at present (nor with another religion). These people were evenly divided between those who have been in the past but have since left (16 million) and those who have never been in their lives (16.2 million).

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Post Hoc Argument: (also, "post hoc propter hoc" argument, or the "too much of a coincidence" argument): The classic fallacy that because something comes at the same time or just after something else, the first thing is caused by the second. E.g., "AIDS first emerged as a problem during the exact same time that Disco music was becoming popular--that's too much of a coincidence: It proves that Disco caused AIDS!"

Or in other words: "Because less people attend church in 2014 than in 1814 and during that exact same time standards of living have increased, it proves that not going to church improves health care/infrastructure/etc."

[Lord Jim]

British values stem from the rejection of Christianity which has led to an improved standard of living.

Hilariously ignorant gibbering idiocy....

In just one sentence rube reveals his complete ignorance of Christianity, history, economics and basic argumentative logic...

That's pretty impressive rube...

I doubt many others could demonstrate complete ignorance in so many areas in so few words...

[oldr_n_wsr]

British values stem from the rejection of Christianity which has led to an improved standard of living.

Apples and oranges and they don't grow on the same tree.
There is (or should be) no price, or monetary coast associated with values (and I liken, or tie, "values" to "morals").
There really is no cost or price to "love they neighbor" or "do the next right thing" or to pray to ones higher power.

With the "standard of living" there is a monetary cost. Shelter costs money, indoor plumbing (which is probably the greatest boost in standard of living) would not be if not for money spent to put in pipes to bring water and take away waste to the vast majority.

I really don't see the connection (or rejection of said connection).

ETA
And I would bet it's not a "rejection" Cjhristianity. I thinks it's more like apathy towards Christianity. I think those that one might say have rejected Christianity, if asked, they would say they were Christians.