How to get meaningful gun reform passed

[Big RR]

Jarl--I thought the point of gun show sales is that, because they were between private parties, many states required no background check or records. If this is the case, how can anyone tell how many of the guns were acquired by criminals at the gun shows?

[Jarlaxle]

I'm on my phone, but here's a quick rundown: a licensed dealer must do a check for ALL sales, regardless of location. A private seller is not required to (indeed, they CANNOT) do a BC, period. Most gun sales at shows are by dealers.

Calling it a "gun show loophole" is not honest.

[Big RR]

OK, that makes sense then. Thanks.

[oldr_n_wsr]

13) Most Gun Owners Understand Gun Laws A Lot Better Than Gun Controllers Do

While I don’t doubt the desire of many gun controllers to reduce gun violence in the country, I do doubt their understanding of federal, state, and local gun laws in the U.S. A person who carries a weapon every day is far more likely to know the particulars of his or her state’s gun laws, because that person is in legal jeopardy in the event that he or she gets the law wrong. People who get paid to talk on TV for a living will not pay any real penalty if they completely screw up a state’s gun laws. An individual with a gun, however, can pay a very severe price if they don’t follow every gun law to the letter. Just ask this man, who faces a decade in prison for possessing an antique 18th-century flintlock pistol.

The controversy around the so-called “gun show loophole” is a perfect example of basic ignorance about the nation’s gun laws and their effects.
https://twitter.com/JohnFugelsang/statu ... wsrc%5Etfw twitter link
There is no gun show loophole, period. The vast majority of gun show sales are conducted by federal firearms licensees, or FFLs, and FFL sales are strictly regulated by the federal government. Every FFL sale must be accompanied by a background check. No ifs, ands, or buts. Every sale of a firearm across state lines — for example, a resident of State A buying a gun in State B — must be processed by an FFL in the purchaser’s state. And what did we just learn about FFL sales? You can’t buy a gun from an FFL without undergoing a background check.

At the federal level (this is a key distinction), the only type of purchase that doesn’t require a background check is a private transaction between two individuals who reside in the same state. Gun shows have absolutely nothing to do with it. And if you think a federal universal background check is going to keep criminals from buying guns from each other, then I’d like to know why it hasn’t prevented them from buying drugs from each other.

From here:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/02/24/14- ... bout-guns/

[Big RR]

There is no gun show loophole, period. The vast majority of gun show sales are conducted by federal firearms licensees

(emphasis added)

Which means that some sales are conducted as deals between private parties living in the same state and not reported, correct? And this is the gun show loophole that the first statement says does not exist.

It may not be a gigantic number of sales, but it does exist. Personally, I think the reason it is called the "gun show" loophole is that this is likely the only time when unrelated (either by family or friends) parties will sell/buy firearms from each other. As I recall, you cannot advertise guns for sale without a FFL.

[wesw]

I see guns for sale by private owners every week in the local sales rag. a Penny Saver type publication that runs all the classified type ads that the local newspapers no longer runs

[wesw]

[Jarlaxle]

There is no gun show loophole, period. The vast majority of gun show sales are conducted by federal firearms licensees

(emphasis added)

Which means that some sales are conducted as deals between private parties living in the same state and not reported, correct? And this is the gun show loophole that the first statement says does not exist.

It does not. Claiming it does is not honest. If you want to claim a private sale loophole, fine. Gun shows have nothing to do with it!

It may not be a gigantic number of sales, but it does exist. Personally, I think the reason it is called the "gun show" loophole is that this is likely the only time when unrelated (either by family or friends) parties will sell/buy firearms from each other. As I recall, you cannot advertise guns for sale without a FFL.

Nope. Hell, there are entire sites dedicated to it, and also (at least there used to be) entire publications. (Shotgun News comes to mind.)

[wesw]

my most important task, as far as guns go, and in relation to being a good citizen of America, is to acquire a dependable handgun and a dependable rifle and a dependable shotgun, along with plenty of ammo, to put away for my daughter and her family for the future, just in case the gun control nuts assume power.

reloading machine is on the list too.

it s too late to become a machinist (and I m too broke), or I d consider getting a metal lathe that is capable of making gun barrels, just in case...

[rubato]

my most important task, as far as guns go, and in relation to being a good citizen of America, is to acquire a dependable handgun and a dependable rifle and a dependable shotgun, along with plenty of ammo, .... "

Nice of you to stock up so the burglar won't have to go away empty handed.


yrs,
rubato

[Jarlaxle]

A burglar is welcome to anything he can take.

Of course, I don't think a black powder muzzle loader is much use to most criminals. Everything else is secured.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I wonder how many guns obtained by the "private sale loophole" were used in the commision of a crime?

[wesw]

good thought rube, Delaware is open carry tho, so I guess I ll just strap up when I leave the house to prevent that.....

just kidding, I don t want to do the open carry thing, it kinda asking for trouble unless there is an emergency situation. I would much prefer a nice little rueger tucked away, maybe in my back brace....

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