The War on Multiculturalism

[Scooter]

Poll results frequently depend entirely on how the question is presented.

(a) Should sodomy laws be repealed? No

(b) Should people be incarcerated for private acts of sodomy? NFW.

An apparent contradiction,eh?

[MajGenl.Meade]

I don't see what hate crimes legislation has to with this at all. It was a straw man introduced by Meade to avoid addressing what I had actually said, which he knows to be the truth. Hate crimes legislation is about how to punish criminals, not about protecting human rights.

I have cancelled what I typed here earlier. Instead I would like to say that I'm not sure what "Meade" did that has Scooter so furious that he moved immediately to abuse, confrontation and untruth. Perhaps he misses the CSB

I repeat
"Hello again Scooter,

Please direct me to information confirming the existence of "conservative Christian institutions.... who treat women like second class citizens and expect women to be nothing but baby factories who should remain...etc etc".

Please define basic human rights that these same groups deny to homosexuals (a term which applies to both male and female persons). If you refer to marriage then I understand your point - you have at least one. However, I don't know of any groups which (for example) decree that homosexuals may not have drivers licenses, education, freedom of worship, the vote, home insurance (or insurance of any kind), access to government services... etc etc."

You will I hope note the word "institutions" which you used and I asked about. Please name the institutions who "treat women like second class citizens and expect women to be nothing but baby factories who should remain...." etc. You adroitly avoided answering. I understood your point about homosexual marriage and clearly said so. I did not understand your other examples. Please name the institutions. Please show me where I introduced "hate crime legislation" as a topic.

You have now asserted elsewhere that "conservative Christians" are engaged in denying homosexuals the right to work and the right to purchase homes. Is that not what I was speaking of in earlier asking for your evidence?

Further, in your long list of "Meade cannot deny" - maybe I can and maybe I cannot. I can't know until you come up with something concrete for consideration. It seems like a reasonable request

Thank you
Meade

[Scooter]

You may find the passive/aggressive, Mickey the Dunce routine entertaining to engage in. I find no further use in bothering to respond to it.

YOU, of all people, accusing others of engaging in dishonest distortion of what others have said. As Jim would say, render unto me a break.

[MajGenl.Meade]

You may find the passive/aggressive, Mickey the Dunce routine entertaining to engage in. I find no further use in bothering to respond to it.

YOU, of all people, accusing others of engaging in dishonest distortion of what others have said. As Jim would say, render unto me a break.

Scooter,

I have no idea what you are talking about, which probably makes at least two of us. You have not yet responded substantively even once to my straightforward request for information about the conservative Christian institutions in the UK who are oppressing women into being baby factories and so on.

For the record, my initial enquiry (which I tirelessly repeat included that I understood your point in ref to homosexual marriage) was genuine as I don't know much about UK c.c. institutions, not having lived there for over 30 years.

That I disagree with your prejudices is fairly obvious but I accuse no-one else of dishonest distortion. Thus far all your responses have been vituperative (look it up) and accusatory, making statements about "Meade" that are not justified by anything "Meade" has actually said.

Regards
Meade

[dgs49]

It seems clear to me that the Scoot Person is referring to the Roman Catholic church (and other more conservative Christian sects) , which prohibits women from being ordained as priests. As for his bit of hyperbole about "baby factories" and such, I'm sure he would acknowledge that it was a bit of an exaggeration. Indeed, women are the heart if not the soul of the American Catholic church, basically running its educational and charitable activities, as well as doing the majority of task management in most Catholic parishes.

The Church also exalts, in a small way, families having a "stay-at-home mom," which the Church considers the ideal for nurturing children.

Second-class citizens? Yeah, maybe.

As for homosexuals being denied "rights," there are two answers. The Church (any church) has every right to deny active, nonrepentant sinners the spiritual benefits of Holy Matrimony. Whether the Church has any right to demand that the State not create or support legal relationships according to the states legislative judgment is another question altogether.

But I know of no mainstream Church that would deny homo's the civil rights to vote, own property, speak freely, or even bugger themselves to death.

And neither does the Scooter person.