3 person petition.

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Sean
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Re: 3 person petition.

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Well we can argue semantics or facts, whichever you like Scoot. ;)

The fact remains that there are some in this country who feel that Australian laws and values should not apply to them. They feel that they are only answerable to Sharia law. No democratic process has taken place nor are they seeking one.
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And if they actually break the law they should be held accountable. What, other than that, do you propose?

btw, Sharia law does not have to be incompatible with secular criminal and civil law
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I agree Scoot, that's why no one has had their citizenship revoked for acting democratically.
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These didn't get his citizenship revoked....
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If we are talking subjectively about whether those sorts of behaviours/comments should be grounds for revoking someone's citizenship - the first is the sort of pedestrian anti-semitism that is ubiquitous on the internet and in other literature put out by neo-nazis and other sorts of anti-semites; it's debatably hate speech, but if it were to be a basis for deporting people, the line would be long. The second sounds very much like George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" justification for the war in Iraq, in which he called on both Americans and their allies to support his slaughter of Iraqi women and children. The third I characterized on a previous occasion as incitement to violence, but others more learned in these matters than me did not agree, so we are left with a statement which, while reprehensible, is not criminal. The fourth is a rather petty act of vandalism which, again, if used as a basis for deportation would have required a lot of naturalized Australians to be deported.

Subjective opinions about the desirability of using any of these as a basis for revocation of citizenship, none of them appear to bear any relationship to any of the conditions for revocation of citizenship which you have quoted for us.
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No, I was just illustrating that the revocation of Citizenship is not just done on a a whim of government.

I'm trying to find a case of it actually happening, for us to understand the concept better, no joy so far though.
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