A foreign religion, alien to the US, and inherently disloyal

[wesw]

me and guin don t forget....

a few years ago my landlord , and friend, was telling me that his chuch was looking for the first official roman catholic grave yard on the shore. he told me the general area, and I told him that I could take him right to it, I played there as a kid...

so I led them down these abandoned RR tracks, thru these woods, and a bove this little pond, where I used to fish with my buddies.., there it was, we found all four corners. most of the head stones had toppled, or been toppled, but there it was.

we had to skirt a Mexican homeless encampment to get there, with little death dolls hanging as warnings. scary stuff

[Sue U]

with little death dolls hanging as warnings. scary stuff

Are you just playing dumb or are you really that frickin' ignorant?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Trick question, Sue?

[Guinevere]

As I just said in another thread --

It doesn't fit his narrative to play nicely with his cohorts, or to be respectful of his fellow board citizens. He needs to be perceived as the oppressed lil redneck, and to play that role.

We all know its an act, lets stop wasting our collective breaths and move on.

[rubato]

Curious then, that it was only the Jews who supported civil rights for blacks.

Congratulations rube, you've done it again...

You haven't posted around here much lately, but nevertheless in just a very few words, you've firmly re-established your complete bigotry and ignorance cred....

So you have nothing?

I'm proven right again! I did think of the Berrigan brothers And Phillip was involved in some civil rights activism but it was against the church's disapproval so he makes the case rather than defeats it.



Yrs,
Rubato

[wesw]

sue, this was a hobo jungle type place, it was scary, there were obvious warnings hung up on the trees on the path into the camp (there is good fishing there, smart )

we continued until we saw the tent s, not knowing what the two or three little dolls and symbols on the path meant, when we got to where the tents were visible the dolls were everywhere, so that we couldn t miss them.

I remember one in particular. it was made from a dirty white sock, with something tied up in the toe, to form a head. it had a death face drawn on this filthy sock.

we didn t see a soul, but they were there.
we backed away and turned and left and went way around the area, like a half mile to access the grave yard.

perhaps it is you who are ignorant. I m sure if you read up on it you will learn more. it s not new. check out who and how the cartels worship

there is a very scary Mexican homeless population in Salisbury, you can see them fish, they wish to stay out of sight, and are very secretive.

they are not your average homeless. I grew up traipsing far and wide, I met countless people living rough and insane, and liked some of them. this was different

I know not more.

[Econoline]

OOOH!!! Scary Catholic immigrants!

(I rest my case... )

[wesw]

santa muerta, our lady of death.... a fine irish lass.....

[Sue U]

No, it's la Catrina (a/k/a la Dama), a classic figure of Dia de los Muertos:



Dia de los Muertos:

[wesw]

from wiki, there is a lot more if you are interested...

Sociology of the cult[edit]





Santa Muerte dressed as an Aztec.
The cult of Santa Muerte is present throughout the strata of Mexican society, although the majority of devotees are from the urban working class.[31] Most are young people, aged in their teens, twenties, or thirties, and are also mostly female.[32] A large following developed among Mexicans who are disillusioned with the dominant, institutional Catholic Church and, in particular, with the inability of established Catholic saints to deliver them from poverty.[5]

The phenomenon is based among people with scarce resources, excluded from the formal market economy, as well as the judicial and educational systems, primarily in the inner cities and the very rural areas.[2] Devotion to Santa Muerte is what anthropologists call a "cult of crisis". Devotion to the image peaks during economic and social hardships, which tend to affect the working classes more. Santa Muerte tends to attract those in extremely difficult or hopeless situations but also appeals to smaller sectors of middle class professionals and even the affluent.[4][27] Some of her most devoted followers are those individuals associated with petty economic crimes, committed often out of desperation; such as prostitutes, pickpockets and thieves.[2]

The worship of Santa Muerte also attracts those who are not inclined to seek the traditional Catholic Church for spiritual solace, as it is part of the "legitimate" sector of society. Many followers of Santa Muerte live on the margins of the law or outside it entirely. Many street vendors, taxi drivers, vendors of pirated merchandise, street people, prostitutes, pickpockets, petty drug traffickers and gang members are not practicing Catholics or Protestants, but neither are they atheists.[2]

In essence they have created their own new religion that reflects their realities, identity, and practices, especially since it speaks to the violence and struggles for life that many of these people face.[2] Conversely both police and military in Mexico can be counted among the faithful who ask for blessings on their weapons and ammunition.[2]

While worship is largely based in poor neighborhoods, Santa Muerte is also venerated in affluent areas such as Mexico City's Condesa and Coyoacán districts.[15] However, negative media coverage of the worship and condemnation by the Catholic Church in Mexico and certain Protestant denominations have influenced public perception of the cult of Saint Death. With the exception of some artists and politicians, some of whom perform rituals secretly, those in higher socioeconomic strata look upon the veneration with distaste as a form of superstition.[

[RayThom]

Them people are really confused. Donald Trump has a better chance of being elected president.

[MajGenl.Meade]

[rubato]

Some people respond to being persecuted by developing compassion for others who are persecuted. And when thier social status and power improves they use it to help others who are disenfranchised and persecuted as they were. Like American Jews, Mennonites and Quakers. Others reflect on how much nicer it is to persecute than it is to be persecuted and when their status rises they use it to torture others, like American Catholics.


Morality is a choice. Culturally taught, but a choice.


yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

[Big RR]

American Catholics torture people? I had not heard.

They might spout their views and even seek to influence public policy, but torture?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Obvs. you've never been to a Roman church wedding!

[Big RR]

For sheer torture, go to an orthodox catholic church weeding--they last forever, incorporate annoying chants and horrible incense, and (at least for the ones I attended) last for around 90 minutes; most of the RC weddings I've gone to last about a half an hour.

[BoSoxGal]

What's a WEEDING???

[Big RR]

Kind of like a wedding, but with more e and less d.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Surely, it's the homily as relayed by a lisping prelate?