You have to laugh

Gob · Post by **Gob** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:13 pm

As said; "you have to laugh.."

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:12 am

dgs49 wrote:Well...

I seem to recall that there is one "American" church that kinda sorta claims that all its adherents are "saints." LDS stands for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day SAINTS, eh?

Like I said, Christianity... the clue is in their name...

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:34 am

that's sort of like calling Christian scientists... Scientists.

...Or christians for that matter.

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:42 am

Christian means 'follower of Christ'. It doen't specify that they have to be good at it...

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:46 am

SO by that logic they are in fact scientists?

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:15 am

Only if they are 'a person who studies or practises any of the sciences or who uses scientific methods'.

Just because they fulfill one definition doesn't logically mean that they fulfill the other.

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:18 am

So completely missing the point but calling themselves one works in one case but not the other?

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:21 am

No, they qualify as Christians because they are followers of Christ.

Maybe their penchant for spiritual healing can be qualified as science... it's not really for me to say.

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:24 am

By what standard? Their say so?

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:30 am

Are you referring to the Christian bit or the Scientist bit CP?

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:49 am

Either. Both really.

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:01 am

Okey doke...

The Christian bit: AFAIK you don't need any formal certification to be a Christian. Thinking that Jesus was a pretty cool dude and saying "I'm a Christian dontcher know?" is usually all one needs. So to answer your question, yes. Their say so is enough.

As I said, it's not so cut and dried on the Scientist bit. IMO, spiritual healing is at best a pseudo-science and at worst a nasty scam. Others may (and I'm sure will) disagree and I'll leave it to people's own discretion whether they see them as Scientists or not.

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:20 am

Muslims think Jesus was a pretty cool dude does that make muslims Christians?

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:22 am

If they also say "I'm a Christian dontcher know?" or words to that effect then yes!

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:23 am

So now you're back to I am cause I say so.

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:26 am

I never left it! People decide for themselves whether they are Christians or not.

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:30 am

Why is following the tenets put forward by one the standard for one but a simple "I said so" suitable for the other?

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 am

(BTW X-tain Scientists operate on the idea that science works because the material world doesn't exist anyway.)

loCAtek · Post by **loCAtek** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:48 am

Big RR wrote:
Well if you buy each group's ability to say who is and who is not a saint, would think it would mean very little which group has the most saints. .

Which is what I clarified in the follow-up post;

loCAtek wrote:
Also, the Church doesn't make one a Saint; it merely recognizes the Holy person.

Meaning: there may be many Holy persons (Saints) out there that the RCC realizes it may not have recognized.

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:50 am

Crackpot wrote:Why is following the tenets put forward by one the standard for one but a simple "I said so" suitable for the other?

Being a follower of Christ is the only tenet you have to follow in order to be termed a Christian so they are following the tenets.

ETA: Unless of course there are further qualifications that I am unaware of... Do you know of any CP?

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