The Myth of Horus'

[Gob]

So, no one goggled 'Jesus, Horus'?

I did.

The SECOND hit states;

On this topic, we are faced with a stalemate. Skeptical commentators claim that there are many parallels between the lives of Horus and Jesus; Christian commentators tend to deny the existence of most or all of them.

Some skeptics may lose objectivity because they are motivated by a desire to weaken the claims of Christianity; Christians may lose objectivity because they don't want to admit that there such parallels could exist and throw doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. We have not yet found an objective, reliable source.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

the foruth;

It should be noted that Massey’s actual proposition was that Jesus was a copycat from more than just Horus. According to Massey, Jesus was a compilation of an innumerable number of Egyptian deities. There were over 2,000 deities who had every human and godlike characteristic one can think of, excepting Superman’s power to stop a speeding bullet.

In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.

and on..

Jesus as a Reincarnation of Horus


Jesus was referred to as the chief cornerstone (i.e., capstone) - a reference to an Egyptian pyramid. The chief cornerstone of the pyramid is same symbol for Horus, the Egyptian god and savior. Like the Egyptian pharoah, Jesus was called a shepherd who rules the nations with a staff. Horus was a popular Egyptian god who was the son of Osiris and Isis. Osiris and Horus were both solar deities. Osiris was the setting sun, Horus the rising sun. Jesus is the rising Son and the morning star. The pharoah was considered to be an incarnation of Horus (also known as "Amen-Ra," the sun god). In the same way, Jesus is considered to be the incarnation of his heavenly Father. Horus was the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. Horus had an adversary named "Set". Jesus' adversary was "Satan".

The story of Horus can be found in "The Egyptian Book of the Dead (also known as the "Papyrus of Ani") written over 3,000 years before the birth of Christ.
Identical Life Experiences
(1) It is written that both Horus and Jesus existed before their incarnations.
(2) Horus was born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave/manger.
(3) Horus' birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
(4)

The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: "Out of Egypt have I called my son." (Matt. 2:15)
(5)

He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by Anup the Baptizer when he was thirty years old.
(6)

He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water.
(7) He raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
(8) He transfigured on a mount.
(9)

He also had titles such as the "way, the truth, the light, the Messiah, God's anointed Son, the Son of Man, the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the Word, the Morning Star, the light of the world.
(10) He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the lamb, lion and fish ("Ichthys").
(11) Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
(12) Horus was called "KRST," or "Anointed One.
(13) He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
(14)

The adoration of the Virgin and Child is connected with both the adoration of Isis and the infant Horus and the adoration of Mary and infant Jesus. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis, the original "Madonna and Child."
(15)

Concerning the writing of the Gnostics, C. W. King, a noted English author, says: "To this period belongs a beautiful sard in my collection, representing Serapis,...whilst before him stands Isis, holding in one hand the sistrum, in the other a wheatsheaf, with the legend: 'Immaculate is our lady Isis,' the very term applied afterwards to that personage who succeeded to her form, her symbols, rites, and ceremonies" (Gnostics and Their Remains, p. 71).
(16)

Osiris, Isis, and Horus are the principal trinity of the Egyptian religions. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Christian trinity. Dr. Inman affirms the Egyptian roots of the Christian trinity "The Christian trinity is of Egyptian origin, and is as surely a pagan doctrine as the belief in heaven and hell, the existence of a devil, of archangels, angels, spirits and saints, martyrs and virgins, intercessors in heaven, gods and demigods, and other forms of faith which deface the greater part of modern religions" (Ancient Pagan and Modem Christian Symbolism, p. 13).
(17)

Dr. Draper says: "For thirty centuries the Egyptians had been familiar with the conception of a triune God. There was hardly a city of any note without its particular triads. Here it was Amum, Maut, and Khonso; there Osiris, Isis, and Horus" (Intellectual Development, Vol. I, p. 191).
(18)

Dr. Draper stated: "Views of the Trinity, in accordance with Egyptian tradition, were established. Not only was the adoration of Isis under a new name restored, but even her image standing on the crescent moon reappeared. The well-known effigy of that goddess, with the infant Horus in her arms, has descended to our days in the beautiful artistic creations of the Madonna and Child." (Conflict, p. 48).
(19)

Mrs. Besant believes that Christianity has its main roots in Egypt: "It grew out of Egypt; its gospels came from thence [Alexandria]; its ceremonies were learned there; its Virgin is Isis; its Christ, Osiris and Horus."
(20)

There are two stories connected with Horus that is analogous to stories found in the Old Testament. The hiding of the infant Horus in a marsh by his mother undoubtedly parallels the story of the hiding of the infant Moses in a marsh by his mother. When Horus died, Isis implored Ra, the sun, to restore him to life. Ra stopped his ship in mid-heaven and sent down Thoth, the moon, to bring him back to life. The stopping of the sun and moon by Isis recalls the myth of the stopping of the sun and moon by Joshua.

"Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." - Horus, (Book of the Dead, Ch. 173)

"Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once." - Jesus, (John 13:31-32)

So some claim Jesus was a rip off of lots other deities, and some dispute that.

So you have proved and 'busted" absolutely nothing. Shithead.

What is particularly evidence is that you haven't got a fucking clue what you are talking about, make up shit, and are just here to get yourself attention as you are a very screwed up woman.

Your best way of helping yourself, as with your "alcoholism", would be to seek help, and to stop damaging your psyche further here.

[Sean]

Granted then- any similarly between Horus and Jesus is purely coincidental bullshit.


Myth;

If you want to bust a myth you need to provide evidence fucktard!

[Sean]

In fact, here's a more accurate image for you to use...

[thestoat]

Granted then- any similarly between Horus and Jesus is purely coincidental bullshit.


Myth;

So is that how you go about busting a myth? Post some random dribblings, ignore any input from anyone who disagrees with you (which in this case seems to be everybody on the board) and then, after some arbitrary time shout "busted". Useful to know.

Edmund: Look, there's no need to panic. Someone in the crew will
know how to steer this thing.

Rum: The crew, milord?

Edmund: Yes, the crew.

Rum: What crew?

Edmund: I was under the impression that it was common maritime practice
for a ship to have a crew.

Rum: Opinion is divided on the subject.

Edmund: Oh, really? [starting to get the picture]

Rum: Yahs. All the other captains say it is; I say it isn't.

Edmund: Oh, God; Mad as a brush.

[loCAtek]

Alrighty, back to the OP

Some are claiming that, that pose was stolen by Mary and Jesus.

Cite?

Mother and child parallel
Isis nursing Horus, (Louvre)

Some believe that the close maternal relationship between Isis and Horus presented in ancient Egyptian imagery were incorporated into later Christian iconography.[16][32] In particular, the depictions of Mary and Jesus from Our Lady of Perpetual Help and the Black Madonna of Częstochowa share many similarities to extant ancient Egyptian art depictions of Horus and Isis.[33] Egyptologist Erik Hornung wrote that "There was an obvious analogy between the Horus child and the baby Jesus and the care they received from their sacred mothers; long before Christianity, Isis had borne the epithet 'mother of the god.'"[34]

This is the result of early Christian exposure to Egyptian art. In a survey of "twenty leading Egyptologists" by Dr. W. Ward Gasque, a Christian scholar, found that all who responded recognised "that the image of the baby Horus and Isis has influenced the Christian iconography of Madonna and Child" but that there were no other similarities, e.g. no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, had twelve followers, etc.[35]

[16] - http://hnn.us/articles/6641.html
[32] - ^ Jensen, Robin Margaret (2000). Understanding Early Christian Art. New York
[33] - ^ Benko, Stephen (1993). Virgin Goddess: Studies in the Pagan and Christian Roots of Mariology. Brill Academic Publishers. ISBN 978-90-04-13639-7.
[34] - ^ Hornung, Erik; David Lorton (2001). The Secret Lore of Egypt: Its Impact on the West. Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press. p. 60. ISBN 978-0-8014-3847-9.
[35] - ^ W. Ward GasqueThe Leading Religion Writer in Canada ... Does He Know What He's Talking About? August 09, 2004. Retrieved September 14, 2008.

On the other myths presented for busting;

Claimed parallels between Horus and Jesus

One of the more sensational aspects of Massey's writings were the parallels he drew between the Christian god Jesus of Nazareth and the Egyptian god Horus. These comparisons are primarily contained in his book The Natural Genesis. Massey's writings on this subject have influenced various later authors such as: Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Tom Harpur, and Acharya S.[4]

Some of the similarities that Massey claimed existed are that they both

Were born of virgins on December 25
Taught in a temple as a child at age 12
Were teachers who had 12 Disciples
Were baptized in a river
Gave a sermon on the mount
Healed the sick
Raised men from the dead (El-Asar-Us for Horus, Lazarus for Jesus)
Died by crucifixion
Were resurrected three days later.[5]

At the same time, most contemporary Egyptologists believe these parallels are not true and pseudo-scientific[6][7][8][9][10][11]. In particular they point out that, among the sourses make no mention of these facts in the life of Horus, and the celebration of Jesus' birth on December 25 was chosen for political reasons and was never claimed to be the actual date of his birth.[9]. However, W. Ward Gasque conducted a world-wide pole of twenty leading Egyptologists - including Professor Kenneth Kitchen of the University of Liverpool and Ron Leprohan, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Toronto- in Canada, USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify if there was any academic support for these claims. The scholars were unanimous in dismissing the claimed parallels. One scholar, who called it "fringe nonsense", also cautioned that "[e]gyptology has the unenviable distinction of being one of those disciplines that almost anyone can lay claim to, and the unfortunate distinction of being probably the one most beleaguered by false prophets."[12].

I'll leave you to follow the links yourselves, there are far too many...






You'll like this one, he's an atheist and a bastard!

Ending the Myth of Horus



By Consigliere, on January 10th, 2005

I’ve heard repeated here several times that Horus, an Egyptian god, is carbon copy of Jesus. The obvious implication by those that have made this statement is that Jesus is a copycat version of an earlier Egyptian deity. The purpose of this entry is to disembowel that proposition once and for all.

When I first heard that Horus was the inspiration for Jesus several years ago, I didn’t give it much credence because I couldn’t establish any source material for the claims. I still can’t, but the internet is as adept at allowing anybody and everybody to pass on misinformation.

Upon further research, I’ve concluded that this theory originated with Gerald Massey, an English poet, born 1828, died 1927. He published primarily poems, but had an interest in Egypt. He parlayed that interest in Egypt into several books and lectures in which he set forth the proposition that Horus was in essence the first Jesus, and Jesus was a cheap imitation. The primary basis for his writing is the Egyptian Book of the Dead. This is available on-line and you can easily look it up to read it yourself. Be forewarned that forced reading of this would be an extremely efficient form of torture.

It should be noted that Massey’s actual proposition was that Jesus was a copycat from more than just Horus. According to Massey, Jesus was a compilation of an innumerable number of Egyptian deities. There were over 2,000 deities who had every human and godlike characteristic one can think of, excepting Superman’s power to stop a speeding bullet.

Since Massey, there is a dearth of anybody with any credentials that has adopted a straight Horus=Jesus theory. There is a one individual that has adopted some of Massey’s thoughts and incorporated them into a book-The Christ Conspiracy. This appears to be the basis for the claims that I see. The author is Acharya S. Her website is http://www.truthbeknown.com I note that Richard Price, a noted Christ Myther, and one that I take much more seriously then Acharya, said the following:

“Those of use who uphold any version of the controversial Christ Myth theory find ourselves immediately the object not just of criticism, but even of ridicule. And it causes us chagrin to be lumped together with certain writers with whom we share the Christ Myth butt little else…..

His other criticism, like mine, is that she uses very dated sources (19th Century) who were in Price’s words “eccentrics, freethinkers, and theosophists.”

Les, I am using your post from 1/3/05 as an example of the claims because you carry more credibility than most. That said here are the claims and what I have found:

Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

This is accurate.

Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/ca ... iption.htm

Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.

Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.

Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.

Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.

Claim #10-Both walked on water.

Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.

Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.

Massey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion. There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way. There is no mention by Massey of any Sermon on the Mount. No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb. Massey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.

In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them

[Scooter]

Mother and child parallel
Isis nursing Horus, (Louvre)

Some believe that the close maternal relationship between Isis and Horus presented in ancient Egyptian imagery were incorporated into later Christian iconography.[16][32] In particular, the depictions of Mary and Jesus from Our Lady of Perpetual Help and the Black Madonna of Częstochowa share many similarities to extant ancient Egyptian art depictions of Horus and Isis.[33] Egyptologist Erik Hornung wrote that "There was an obvious analogy between the Horus child and the baby Jesus and the care they received from their sacred mothers; long before Christianity, Isis had borne the epithet 'mother of the god.'"[34]

This is the result of early Christian exposure to Egyptian art. In a survey of "twenty leading Egyptologists" by Dr. W. Ward Gasque, a Christian scholar, found that all who responded recognised "that the image of the baby Horus and Isis has influenced the Christian iconography of Madonna and Child"

So far from being a "myth", it is the broad consensus of scholars that depictions of Mary and Jesus were, in fact, influenced by the image of Horus and Isis.

So much for "myth busting".

[The Hen]

So is this another case of Christianity 'adopting' iconic images and celebrations from other religions then?

Good stuff Lo for finding this link. These scholars seem convinced.

Me? I am not so much convinced. But then I haven't had the years of study into this issue that the scholars you have quoted have done.

[loCAtek]

Very well, so no one will answer my initial OP question;

My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?

Is the pose religious or just biological, then?

[Gob]

Very well, so no one will answer my initial OP question;

My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?

No it wasn't. (Images removed)

Baby pictures



This god is about as convoluted as Dionysus;

HAROERIS
Ancient God of Light, and the original version of HORUS, known as The Elder.

He was originally the son of RA and NUT. But, feeling lonely, he switched birth certificates to be born by GEB and NUT. Just when you thought he would have settled down to family life he decided he didn't want to be the elder any more. So when OSIRIS and ISIS attained popularity, he decided to be reborn yet again as their son HORUS.

With a falcon head he went to cause much confusion, claiming counterpart shares with just about every other God with a similar head. Maybe this was the first implementation of copyright.

For some reason, a lot of scrutiny is placed on the way his mother Isis (as opposed to his mother Nut?) held him in family portraits. Some are claiming that, that pose was stolen by Mary and Jesus.


Isis and Horus-Jesus and Mary;


For one, Mother Mary is never seen breast-feeding the baby Jesus, and for two...



Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera....


i willing to bet most of us have similar portraits on their mantlepieces?

Even some 'father & child' poses, 'eh?


If we pose with them; does that null and void, our progeny as copy-cats?




Are all our kids the same!?

So you're too lazy to check your own Op, or to stupid to realise what you posed, or just plain lying.

Whichever it is, you still don't make much sense.

[loCAtek]

No it wasn't. (Images removed)

No, it wasn't ....what?

[Gob]

Being stupid for the sake of attention now are you?

My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?

[/quote]


Where does; "My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?" appear in the OP?

"It doesn't", is the only truthful answer.

[The Hen]

Most mothers would pose with their child that way. Not all, but most.

Does this mean the topic is finished now?

YAY!

[Scooter]

Actually I don't think most mothers would, the baby is incredibly unsupported. Let's look at the portrait again, shall we?


The baby has his ass seated on the mother's forearm cupping it underneath, with its legs dangling in air. The baby is not facing towards or away from her, so that it can lean forward or backward to rest on her chest. No, the baby is seated perpendicular to the mother, with nothing supporting its weight from the hips to the head. The two hands are touching but she is not gripping the baby's; that baby could fall over backwards at any moment. If it were old enough to balance itself in that position it would be too heavy to hold in such a manner, with all the weight being borne by an extended forearm. It is a wholly unnatural pose.

Not sure how I missed this first time around:

Mother Mary is never seen breast-feeding the baby Jesus

but of course it's completely false:


Virgin and Child Surrounded by Angels by Jean Fouquet (c. 1450)



Madonna and Child by Gerard David (1490)


Virgin and Child by Jan Gossaert (c. 1427)

And my personal favorite:

Miraculous Lactation of St. Bernard, by Alonso Cano (1650)

[loCAtek]

Being stupid for the sake of attention now are you?

My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?

Where does; "My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?" appear in the OP?

"It doesn't", is the only truthful answer.

[/quote]

Nope, pls go look at the OP again, here is an edited version;

Baby pictures






My question is: What mother doesn't pose with their child [male, female or mutant] this way?

[loCAtek]

Scooter, I take the unnatural poses to be early attempts at realism, which wasn't achieved until much later in man's artistic history.
Take the depictions of any children or babies in Egyptian art; they really don't have the correct proportions of toddlers and infants in reality. Most archeologists agree, they are portrayed as small versions of adults. I did miss the breast feeding.

The point is that mother and child portraits are very common themes to any society. It's an ancient image that has it's roots in family identity, not religion.

[Scooter]

Scooter, I take the unnatural poses to be early attempts at realism, which wasn't achieved until much later in man's artistic history.

The painting of Our Lady of Perpetual Help on the right is from the 15th century. I'm pretty sure they had figured out by then that you can't create realism through unnatural poses.

Take the depictions of any children or babies in Egyptian art; they really don't have the correct proportions of toddlers and infants in reality.

And the Mary in Michelangelo's Pietà is a giant compared to the crucified Jesus laying in her lap. So what?

Most archeologists agree, they are portrayed as small versions of adults.

You weren't too keen about the opinions of archaelogists when their consensus was that Christian portrayals of the Madonna and Child were influence by images of Isis and Horus. I guess you know something they don't.

The point is that mother and child portraits are very common themes to any society.

Yes, the themes used in art are very common, but artistic style doesn't develop in a vacuum. I doubt there is an artist alive or dead who would say that his/her work was not influenced by artists who came before. Why does Christian art have to be this sacred cow that must have come out of thin air and with absolutely no connection to the past?

It's an ancient image that has it's roots in family identity, not religion.

Where did I say anything about religion? I said they share a practically identical pose that would be an unusual way to think of a mother holding her baby. Depictions of houses are very common throughout the history of art as well, but if someone painted a house that was shaped like a shoe it would strain credulity to believe that the artist had never heard of Old Mother Hubbard.

[Gob]

My(genuine) error Lo. Apologies.

Now then, can you tell us who these "some people" are;

For some reason, a lot of scrutiny is placed on the way his mother Isis (as opposed to his mother Nut?) held him in family portraits. Some are claiming that, that pose was stolen by Mary and Jesus.

[Sean]

Judging by her expression and demeanour the baby has just shat himself. Excellent example of realism.



This is the earliest known baby pic of John Belushi.



This is just insane! If it appeared in a movie like Dogma the whole of Christianity would be up in arms.

[loCAtek]

My(genuine) error Lo. Apologies.

Now then, can you tell us who these "some people" are;

For some reason, a lot of scrutiny is placed on the way his mother Isis (as opposed to his mother Nut?) held him in family portraits. Some are claiming that, that pose was stolen by Mary and Jesus.

Upon further research, I’ve concluded that this theory originated with Gerald Massey, an English poet, born 1828, died 1927. He published primarily poems, but had an interest in Egypt. He parlayed that interest in Egypt into several books and lectures in which he set forth the proposition that Horus was in essence the first Jesus, and Jesus was a cheap imitation

From the atheist bastard linked above

[Scooter]

First, the author of that blog post uses the name Consigliere. The owner of the blog, Les Jenkins aka Stupid Evil Bastard, is the one who has identified himself as an atheist. They are two different people. Nowhere in any of his posts does the poster using the name Consigliere identify him/herself as an atheist.

Second, he is not giving his own opinion in that passage. He very clearly states that he is describing Gerald Massey's view. Since Massey attached himself the the Christian Socialist movement, he was clearly not an atheist either.

Third, whatever anyone might think of whether Jesus was based on Horus has nothing to do with what you said. You claim that some people have said that Mary and Jesus stole the pose in their portrait from the the image of Isis and Horus. How could Mary and Jesus "steal" a pose for a painting that was done 1400 years after they last walked the earth. Was there a second coming that nobody heard about, when Jesus went to the artist and said, "here, see this image of Isis and Horus, I want you to paint my mother and me the same way"?

On any one of those points alone, you would have failed to produce evidence of a claim that Mary and Jesus "stole" the pose used in that painting. But overachiever that you are, you weren't going to be satisfied unless you screwed up all three, so congratulations.