Converting gays creates 'damaged people'

[Gob]

Christianity has everything to do with it, when we are discussing Christians converting gays, as most conversions in the first world are,

Try to stay on topic, you silly little man.

[quaddriver]

So your post is simply an assault on christianity, and not on the larger broader subject of converting gays (or anything thing else 'not nice')

Its ok to be caught unawares. really, it is.

[The Hen]

Oh. He just wants to troll by changing the direction of the thread and making out that you are an arse for not accepting it.

How about we have two discussions going instead. quad, you can start one on your African lesbian correctors and you can even use Gob's words to start your discussion.

Thanks in advance.

[quaddriver]

Oh. He just wants to troll by changing the direction of the thread and making out that you are an arse for not accepting it.

How about we have two discussions going instead. quad, you can start one on your African lesbian correctors and you can even use Gob's words to start your discussion.

Thanks in advance.

answer the question.

I now assert that Gobs post has nothing to do with gays at all, but rather christians. If he was concerned about gays, even if we limited it to 'corrective actions' then he would have encompassed such.

Instead we have something curious, someone else points out the EXACT same behaviour (or worse) from groups not christian and it is trolling or inappropriate.

think for a moment what message THAT sends.

[The Hen]

Start your own thread you pathetic waste of keystrokes.

[Gob]

So your post is simply an assault on christianity, and not on the larger broader subject of converting gays (or anything thing else 'not nice')

Its ok to be caught unawares. really, it is.

Unawares? What idiocy is this now?

I started a thread on a anrticle from a recent local newspaper, one which is relevant and worthy of discussion, Quadiot thinks I've been caught unawares.


Seriously, get help Quadriver, you're going down the drain fast...

[quaddriver]

are you using the same computer?

[The Hen]

No. I'm using yours.

[Gob]

answer the question.

I now assert that Gobs post has nothing to do with gays at all, but rather christians.

Ok, so take Christians out of the OP and what do we have?

If he was concerned about gays, even if we limited it to 'corrective actions' then he would have encompassed such.

It does.

Instead we have something curious, someone else points out the EXACT same behaviour (or worse) from groups not christian and it is trolling or inappropriate.

think for a moment what message THAT sends.

Thinks.... It sends the message that Quaddiot has the brains of a flea if he thinks that by showing that in South Africa raping lesbians to "convert them" has any relevance to ongoing Christian efforts in the first world to "convert gays". In fact he demeans both gays and Christians by trying to point out some moral equivalency in these two unrelated subjects.

[Joe Guy]

I stand on my position, with or without the proof I have offered. Christianity, has nothing to do with it. IF you cannot fathom why that is MORE relevant than the quoted material in the OP, perhaps you should be second guessing your participation.

Okay, let's look at the OP.

There is an article linked by Gob that is about a Christian ministry that uses various methods to "heal" homosexuals.

Then Gob asked the question, "Why are some Christians so obsessed with other people's sex lives?"

And you, quad, claim that "Christianity, has nothing to do with it."

[dales]

Excuse me, is this where I come to have an arguement?

(with apologies to Monty Python)

[Gob]

I think Quaddy’s point is that it's ok for Christians in the first world to try to convert gays, no matter what the damage this does to the individual, as in South Africa people rape lesbians to try to convert them, which is much worse. Therefore gays should be glad that it's only nice Christians which are converting them, not nasty rapists.

Or something....

[quaddriver]

I think Quaddy’s point is that it's ok for Christians in the first world to try to convert gays, no matter what the damage this does to the individual, as in South Africa people rape lesbians to try to convert them, which is much worse. Therefore gays should be glad that it's only nice Christians which are converting them, not nasty rapists.

Or something....

hey if you are gonna make shit up (quelle surprise!) that is as good as anything....

[Gob]

Or rather... If Christians try to convert gays, and people in South Africa rape lesbians to convert them, it's not JUST Christians who try to convert gays, therefore Christians converting gays has nothing to do with Christianity.


Which of course is utter bullshit.

[The Hen]

Well, thank goodness for that.

Now maybe we can get back to discussing why are some Christians so obsessed with other people's sex lives?

[Gob]

hey if you are gonna make shit up (quelle surprise!) that is as good as anything....

Well please clarify your point for us.

[Joe Guy]

It's very likely that quad and Tim Geithner had a serious discussion about homosexuality.

After all, quad and his boss have a solid relationship.

So, quad, after discussing the issue with Timmy, realized that Christianity has nothing to do with anything.

We should all take that fact into consideration in order to understand how quad formed his opinion.

[The Hen]

Personally I think it comes from a deep seated belief that pleasure and sex should not be enjoyed, is dirty and/or naughty.

Because they have a difficult time in freely enjoying themselves, they want to ensure no one else does either.



Oh and in quad's case, it is more likely just 'rape for rape's sake', but targeting lesbians and using it as an excuse.

[Sean]

I think Quaddy’s point is that it's ok for Christians in the first world to try to convert gays, no matter what the damage this does to the individual, as in South Africa people rape lesbians to try to convert them, which is much worse. Therefore gays should be glad that it's only nice Christians which are converting them, not nasty rapists.

Or something....

hey if you are gonna make shit up (quelle surprise!) that is as good as anything....

Hey if you are going to accuse people of making shit up (quelle surprise!) then you'd really make sure that you haven't actually already said what they claim you said...

I would have thought that being DEAD as a result of law or state action would be slightly worse than being tormented by a tiny insignificant number of residents.

[Lord Jim]

Some Christians are so obsessed by other people's sex lives

That's not the way they look at it....

I know a few fundamentalists, and I've worked with them in politics. They would tell you that if they are "obsessed" with anything it's with trying to save others immortal souls from eternal damnation....

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just trying to give you a little window into their perspective. They believe homosexuality is a serious sin; they see what they're doing in very altruistic terms. They see themselves as saving sinners.

I do know there have been some cases of folks claiming that they were "cured" of homosexuality who seem to be quite happy about it; I've seen them interviewed.

Of course the counter argument to that would be, well these folks weren't really gay in the first place; they were just experimenting with gay sex.

This really is not my area of expertise; I certainly don't claim to know the answers to this sort of thing.