Scooter wrote:You have a bunch of white students yelling "USA, USA" at their opponents who are all minorities, probably largely hispanic. It's as if the white players were saying, "this is all our country, thanks for being part of it." They may as well have yelled "welcome to our country."
Except for the fact that it was already their country, too.
What does that mean? Are you saying that Texas is part of Mexico?
If you had meant to say that they were American too you should said:
Except for the fact that it is already their country, too.
The fact that Texas was once part of Mexico is as irrelevant as the fact Mexico was once part of Spain. The Mexican dictator and tyrant Sana Anna lost Texas and tried regain it, or at least part of it, and lost a lot more; that is the penalty for being a dictator and aggressor.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.
I don't know - it seems simple to me but then simple is as something or other does
On the one side - a team of Hispanic Americans and other non-white Americans
On the other side - a team of white bread
White bread teams win. Ill-bread fans start chanting USA USA not because they are proud of the USA or supporting the USA (there is no national team involvement)
No, they chant "USA" because they are white and the other team are not white. "Our" USA (they are saying) has defeated "them". And "them" is the kind of USA that "we" don't want - multi-cultural, increasingly Spanish speaking, voting itself into power, thinner waisted. Chanting "White Power" just isn't done these days so the code words will have to do.
So yes, it's related to racialism in attitude and background.
Maybe it would be easier to understand in Oz if you pictured a team of aboriginals losing to a team of white Australians and the whites shout "Australia! Australia!" in celebrating their victory to taunt the other team?
I could be wrong now.
But I don't think so.
Meade
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
keld feldspar wrote:I thought in Oz when they won they shouted Fosters, or some such...
Fixed that for you. Maybe
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
MajGenl.Meade wrote:I don't know - it seems simple to me but then simple is as something or other does
On the one side - a team of Hispanic Americans and other non-white Americans
On the other side - a team of white bread
White bread teams win. Ill-bread fans start chanting USA USA not because they are proud of the USA or supporting the USA (there is no national team involvement)
No, they chant "USA" because they are white and the other team are not white. "Our" USA (they are saying) has defeated "them". And "them" is the kind of USA that "we" don't want - multi-cultural, increasingly Spanish speaking, voting itself into power, thinner waisted. Chanting "White Power" just isn't done these days so the code words will have to do.
So yes, it's related to racialism in attitude and background.
Maybe it would be easier to understand in Oz if you pictured a team of aboriginals losing to a team of white Australians and the whites shout "Australia! Australia!" in celebrating their victory to taunt the other team?
I could be wrong now.
But I don't think so.
Meade
I don’t know General; it seems to me that you went around the mountain three times to get three. I feel that most of the time the simple answer is the best. Doctors have a saying that goes: When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras. The chant USA is an expression national pride and solidarity. Is it limited to when it can be used? Is it now considered a racist chant by liberals? Has anyone asked the chanters what they meant by their chant?
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I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.
You are a guy that didn't see anything racist about swinging a noose from a tree in front of a bunch of black students, so...
BTW, how did your fact finding trip to Jena go? I'm sure that black folk were falling all over themselves for the chance to tell their story to such an obviously fairminded sould as yourself.
You did remember to pull the sheet off from over your head before you approached them, didn't you?
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liberty wrote:The chant USA is an expression national pride and solidarity. Is it limited to when it can be used? Is it now considered a racist chant by liberals? Has anyone asked chanters what they meant by their chant?
If I heard a group of white people chanting 'USA' after a white team just defeated a minority team, I'd think the chant was meant to put down the minority team. It would seem obvious to me. I wouldn't call it racist but I'd call it very disrespectful.
Scooter wrote:You are a guy that didn't see anything racist about swinging a noose from a tree in front of a bunch of black students, so...
BTW, how did your fact finding trip to Jena go? I'm sure that black folk were falling all over themselves for the chance to tell their story to such an obviously fairminded sould as yourself.
You did remember to pull the sheet off from over your head before you approached them, didn't you?
When I went to Gena I talked to no blacks, I saw none. My stay there was quite short; I had to get to back to my service territory. The few whites I was able to talk too seemed intimidated which I reckon that makes you happy. The feeling I got from the ones I talked too was that the whole thing was a miss understanding. I was told that Beal the, black hero, was a local thug (my words) that specialized in breaking into storage building and steeling lawn mower gas for resale. He had been in trouble with the law on a number of occasions. Also Barker’s racist sin was turning his back to walk off after being confronted by the black gang in the cafeteria. Barker wanted to stay out of it; I reckon his attempt to walk off was a racist insult, like hanging a noose.
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I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.
liberty wrote:When I went Gena I talked to no blacks, I saw none.
Why am I not surprised? They sized you up immediately and didn't want to have anything to do with you.
Perhaps if you had covered up the Confederate flag tattoos...
Well they must have all been snipers because I didn’t see them.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Maybe it would be easier to understand in Oz if you pictured a team of aboriginals losing to a team of white Australians and the whites shout "Australia! Australia!" in celebrating their victory to taunt the other team?
Yep, that wouldn't work here, it would not be noticed. Aboriginals and white Australians;
a) Call the country Australia.
b) Neither consider themselves to own the brand.
c) Native Australian rights are recognised here.
d) Both groups would consist of people who were born here.(If anything, a white team would be more likely to be born abroad.)
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
LOL!! No one's claiming that Jim, just that the "Our Nation" chant wouldn't work here.
A better, or more apt, example would be some of the shit that went down at the Cronulla riots.
Such as; “We grew here, you flew here”
But again, the situation was vastly different, and the use of the nation's name did not occur.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
