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Yay. We have a reputable source for once. Maybe now we can put to bed all these myths.
Many of the rituals and traditions of the pre-Christian festivals were incorporated into the Christmas celebration and are still observed to this date.
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Scooter wrote:So you admit it bears a resemblance to Christian theology. Thanks.
Eh'? How does polytheism resemble monotheism?

Their births similarities were slim to none; and their lives were completely different.
The Christ was never a soldier;
MITHRA & MITHRAISM
The Followers of Mithras

It has already been explained that in Iran Mithras had a militant character, always ready for battle, prepared to assis others in their fight for good and to bring them victory. One of the grades in the mysteries was called Miles, the soldier. The Mithraic cult was a form of military service; life on earth a campaign led by the victorious god. It is therefore little wonder that soldiers of all ranks in the Roman legions, orientals included, felt the lure of Mithras. Observance of the cult guaranteed assistance to all who pledged their lives to the Roman eagle.

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There were also followers of the Eastern god to be found among the cavalry (equites) and bowmen (sagittarii) of the Roman army. Mithras the invicible was in a special degree the protector and patron of archers since he was himself the divine archer, who had power to shoot water from barren rocks with his arrows; a Roman relief shows that he possessed a bow from birth. Again, he was conceived as the Rider-god whose aim was so unfailing that his arrows never missed the gazelle or the wild boar. Palmyrene archers at Dura-Europos represented him on two paintings in their sanctuary as a mounted huntsman armed with bow and arrow (Fig. 4.). In Germany (for example at Dieburg and Ruckingen) there are other representations of the god hunting, attended by a pack of Molossian hounds. On a relief from Neuenheim he is shown as a powerful ruler riding a horse and holding the globus in his right hand (Fig. 3)

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The Hen wrote:Yay. We have a reputable source for once. Maybe now we can put to bed all these myths.
Many of the rituals and traditions of the pre-Christian festivals were incorporated into the Christmas celebration and are still observed to this date.
How does how we celebrate indicate what we believe?
If you blow out the candles on your cake, and a Hindu blows out the candles on his- does that make you a devote Hindu?

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loCAtek wrote:
Scooter wrote:So you admit it bears a resemblance to Christian theology. Thanks.
Eh'?
So in the Gospel according to loCA, Christianity does not use any light and darkness imagery i.e. Jesus is not referred to as the Light of the World, people are never referred to as living in darkness until they come into the light of Christ, etc.
The Christ was never a soldier
So he never said that he came not to bring peace, but a sword? And of course, there's absolutely no militaristic imagery in Christianity (hymns like Onward Christian Soldiers, etc.)
How does how we celebrate indicate what we believe?
If you blow out the candles on your cake, and a Hindu blows out the candles on his- does that make you a devote Hindu?
It means they both believe in celebrating their birthdays.
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YOu're bastardizing the religion just as much as She is Scoot
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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It seems to me that these theological discussions really lose something without the participation of Gen'l Meade....
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Oh no, not Meade, he made far too much sense.

One could almost believe in the...ideas.... he had.

I must email him.
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Crackpot wrote:YOu're bastardizing the religion just as much as She is Scoot
Is that another vote for the complete absence of light/dark and militaristic imagery in Christianity?
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Next think you'll say is they also deal with life and death issues. :roll:

You're being so vague and casting such a wide net that the parallels you draw are practically meaningless and lose much if not all of their commonality when scrutinized.

If you're looking for a widely used motif used though out many religions (including Christianity) in much the same manor I suggest you start with "forbidden fruit".
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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If such "widely used motifs" exist, it would suggest some cross-fertilization between religious systems.
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Yep, as humanity has the same broad needs and desires, religion is going to have the same themes to offer inducement to believe, archetypes exist for this reason. Salvation/life in the hereafter/clearing of sins/rebirth/one true way/direct line to god/direct decent from god...
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Scooter wrote:If such "widely used motifs" exist, it would suggest some cross-fertilization between religious systems.

or maybe a common root
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Lord Jim wrote:It seems to me that these theological discussions really lose something without the participation of Gen'l Meade....
Yes, I hope he returns soon.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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The second coming? ;)
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Crackpot wrote:
Scooter wrote:If such "widely used motifs" exist, it would suggest some cross-fertilization between religious systems.

or maybe a common root

The Golden Rule;
Global ethic
Main article: Towards a Global Ethic: An Initial Declaration

The "Declaration Toward a Global Ethic"[26] from the Parliament of the World’s Religions[27][28] (1993) proclaimed the Golden Rule
("We must treat others as we wish others to treat us"
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as the common principle for many religions.[29] The Initial Declaration was signed by 143 respected leaders from all of the world's major faiths, including Baha'i Faith, Brahmanism, Brahma Kumaris, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Indigenous, Interfaith, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Native American, Neo-Pagan, Sikhism, Taoism, Theosophist, Unitarian Universalist and Zoroastrian.[29][30]

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And articulated in most of those faiths long before the advent of Christianity.

But of course there is nothing about Christianity that isn't completely original or that resembles other faiths even in the slightest degree :loon
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Christianity taught the Golden Rule in its own way; which doesn't make the message null and void.

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No, it just makes it copied from other religious traditions.
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Scooter wrote:And articulated in most of those faiths long before the advent of Christianity.

But of course there is nothing about Christianity that isn't completely original or that resembles other faiths even in the slightest degree :loon
Other than Christianity is monotheistic; while the myths of the Greco-Romans were polytheism based on nature worship.


'The Gold Rule' is most prevalent in monotheistic religions: Judaism, Islam, Christianity and the beliefs of the East: Buddhism, Hinduism, that believe in co-existence.

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You muppet!

Do you never actually research anything before you post? Try this.

I would also like you to back up your assertion that the Greek and Roman mythologies are based on nature worship. Go on... let's be having it!
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