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Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:42 am
by Econoline
Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois to rid it of gay marriage. Yeah, that should work.
Illinois bishop plans gay-marriage exorcism
By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
November 15th, 2013
10:10 AM ET
(CNN) – The devil made them do it?
According to a Catholic bishop in Springfield, Illinois, Satan was behind his state's recent legalization of same-sex marriage.
So, next Wednesday, at about the same time Gov. Pat Quinn signs the gay marriage bill into law, Bishop Thomas Paprocki will hold an exorcism ceremony "in reparation for the sin of same-sex marriage."
Paprocki, who's something of an expert on exorcism, says he's just following the Pope's marching orders.
When Pope Francis, then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, was an archbishop in Argentina, he called that country's legalization of same-sex marriage "a 'move' of the father of lies who wishes to confuse and deceive the children of God."
In a statement released on Thursday, Paprocki said: "The pope's reference to the 'father of lies' comes from the Gospel of John, where Jesus refers to the devil as 'a liar and the father of lies.' So Pope Francis is saying that same-sex 'marriage' comes from the devil and should be condemned as such."
Since his election as Pope in March, Francis seems to have taken a less combative approach to homosexuality. At a news conference in July, for example, he said "Who am I to judge?" a gay person who seeks to be a good person.
Illinois politicians - including Catholics - cited the Pope's words when explaining their support for the state's same-sex marriage bill.
In September, the Pope said the church has no right to "interfere spiritually" in the lives of gays and lesbians and chided Catholics who "obsess" about fighting culture war issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.
But Paprocki calls same-sex marriage "contrary to the plan of God" and says all Catholics who support it - from legislators to county clerks who issue marriage licenses - are "culpable of serious sin."
The bishop has invited priests and lay Catholics to his exorcism ceremony, officially called "“Prayers of Supplication and Exorcism in Reparation for the Sin of Same-Sex Marriage,” which is scheduled for November 20 at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Springfield, Illinois.
Paprocki says the ceremony will follow the Catholic Church's Rite of Exorcism, which explains that Satan not only possesses people, he can also invade places and things, including the church itself.
"We must pray for deliverance from this evil which has penetrated our state and our church," Paprocki said.
Exorcism is experiencing something of a renaissance in the United States, with the Catholic bishops recruiting dozens of priests to perform the ancient rite. Paprocki is among the bishops leading the recruiting drive.
Daniel Burke - CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:35 am
by Gob
Titter....
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:14 pm
by Big RR
You just can't make these things up.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:20 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Quite ludicrous and (if Ray doesn't mind my saying so) rather unbiblical IMO
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:49 am
by Andrew D
I hope that someone gets a video of the ceremony.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 pm
by Big RR
And I also hope that they handle those exorcised spirits carefully and take them away; I recall what happened in Ghost Busters when they got out of that little collection tank and were unleashed on the city.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:40 pm
by rubato
Well they are pretty Fat. A little exorcism could only do them good.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:41 pm
by rubato
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Quite ludicrous and (if Ray doesn't mind my saying so) rather unbiblical IMO
Like eating pork, failure to tithe, and worshipping on Sunday?
yrs,
rubato
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:08 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Two out of three no - but one yes.
1. Pork - we are no longer under the law; all foods have been declared clean in the Bible - so that's biblical isn't it?
2. Failure to tithe - yes; I agree
3. Worshipping on Sunday - the Bible does not prohibit worshipping the Lord on any given day or indeed on all days if you feel like it. Perhaps you meant "not worshipping on Saturday"? But then, that was more to do with resting than with worship and anyway see the first part of #1 above.
It's interesting that the early Jewish Christians, particularly in Jerusalem, kept the Sabbath on the Saturday and therefore had to do their own sect's worship at a different time. The gentiles were Christianised outside the Law and followed Jesus' views of the Sabbath with rather more enthusiasm than the Jewish converts did. But even that was endorsed by the Jewish Christian leadership in the Big City.
At least, I believe that to be the case pending Ray's criticism of my having said anything at all
Meade
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:30 pm
by dgs49
Footnote: I believe it was the Emperor Constantine (formerly a Mithran - Sun worshipper) who changed the Christian sabbath from Saturday to SUNday.
Regarding gay marriage and Pope Frank, does anyone seriously think that he is OK with buggery? Or is it just that he doesn't want Catholic leaders to waste their limited political capital on battles that are essentially already lost?
If Bishop Paprocki wanted to do something meaningful, he would instruct all Catholic priests and deacons in Illinois to relinquish and disclaim their credentials to perform civil marriages in the State, thus making it clear to the citizens that the "Institution of Marriage" that exists in the civil government is not the same as the "Institution of Marriage" as it exists in the Roman Catholic Church. Thus, Catholics who want to get married in Illinois would have to get married twice, if they want sanction by both bodies.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:19 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Question: "Did Constantine change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?"
Answer: In the year 321 A.D., Constantine decreed, "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed" (Codex Justinianus lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 380, note 1). Constantine seems to have made this change himself and not through the papacy, since the papacy had not really come in to being at that time. The papacy grew gradually out of the office of Bishop and for many years this was centered in Rome. In any case, it should be noted that in doing this, Constantine is not changing the Sabbath; he is merely making Sunday the official day of rest for the Roman Empire. His motivation was probably not born out of hatred for the Jews (it's hard to say for sure why Constantine or any historical figure did what they did) but out of a desire to adopt what the Christians had practiced for nearly two and a half centuries.
It is well documented that the early church adopted Sunday as their day of worship. Acts 20:7 speaks of this, "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people …" and 1 Corinthians 16:2, "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made." These passages indicate that Christians were probably meeting regularly on Sunday (the first day of the week). They did this most likely because Christ rose on the first day of the week. It wasn't until hundreds of years later that the death of Christ became the focal point of Christian worship services. That is not to say they thought it unimportant; but they were primarily concerned with His victory over death realized in His resurrection
Read more:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine ... z2lP5vEngx
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:55 am
by rubato
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Two out of three no - but one yes.
1. Pork - we are no longer under the law; all foods have been declared clean in the Bible - so that's biblical isn't it?
Where does the Bible say that?
2. Failure to tithe - yes; I agree
3. Worshipping on Sunday - the Bible does not prohibit worshipping the Lord on any given day or indeed on all days if you feel like it. Perhaps you meant "not worshipping on Saturday"? But then, that was more to do with resting than with worship and anyway see the first part of #1 above.
I should have said "failure to keep the Sabbath Day holy" but I thought you might know the text.
It's interesting that the early Jewish Christians, particularly in Jerusalem, kept the Sabbath on the Saturday and therefore had to do their own sect's worship at a different time. The gentiles were Christianised outside the Law and followed Jesus' views of the Sabbath
Where did Jesus say to keep the first day holy rather than the seventh? Jesus himself kept the Sabbath by remaining in the crypt until the Sabbath was over.
with rather more enthusiasm than the Jewish converts did. But even that was endorsed by the Jewish Christian leadership in the Big City.
At least, I believe that to be the case pending Ray's criticism of my having said anything at all
Meade
Yer 0-fer three so far.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:33 am
by MajGenl.Meade
1. Acts 10:9-16. No doubt there was also an allegorical meaning to Peter's vision - which he spotted, clever man. 1Cor10:25-27 addresses the issue of whether or not believers are defiled by what they eat in the context of a discussion of idol worship but the application is wider than that because in Matt 15:10-20 Jesus declares that it is not what goes into the mouth that is unclean but what comes out of it - for whatever goes in is expelled. Galatians 3 has the interesting discussion about no longer being under the law and so on.
2. we still agree
3. Yes you could have mentioned the Sabbath but you didn't. You said "worshipping on Sunday" and I correctly point out that the Bible does not say one should not worship on a Sunday or a Monday or Pancake Day etc.
Finally, did I say that Jesus said anything about which day to worship on - or which day should be holy? No. I referred to his attitude. Matt 2:27 that Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Matt 5:17 Jesus says he had not come to abolish or change the law - he came to completely fulfil them in himself. Speaking to a Jewish audience, who were under the law, he says that anyone who fails to keep the law or teaches others to do so, will be considered the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But of course, they are in the Kingdom of Heaven and not the other place.
A complete Bible study on these matters is not going to happen here. I recommend you attend a solid Bible-based church until you are born again and then you can study these matters in ever greater depth, rather than relying on my incomplete knowledge and ability to explain
Meade
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:26 pm
by rubato
Acts 10
27 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
The meaning is clearly not "go ahead and eat parasite-infested omnivores and reptile" but that Peter was to abandon the Jewish distinction between Gentile and Jew and preach to everyone equally. A very poor misapplication on your part.
So that one does not work.
I Corinthians 10: is about avoiding participation in pagan rituals even after the fact, if you have been told that food you are given was an offering to a pagan god you should not eat it. Nothing about getting rid of any of the dietary laws.
Also not applicable.
Matt 10
15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Makes a distinction between the importance of acting with a good heart and a good conscience and the lesser importance of following ritual. Does not say that eating omnivores is ok.
Galatians 3
Talks about the greater importance of justification by faith than justification by works. References Abraham (an OT figure who followed the law) as someone who is more glorified because of his faith than his obedience to the law. Overall suggests that having the right motives is more important than punctiliousness and that before Christ justification by works was the only route to salvation (for most, unlike Abraham). Does not free one who knows the law from following it.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:12 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Amazing - you repeat what I say and declare it 'new'. But your understanding is impressive. I'd qualify your last to say "one under the law" rather than one who knows it. You know it and you don't follow it - nor should you.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:07 pm
by rubato
You appear not to read or understand the texts you quote.
I think I'll not bother to go on and point out that Christ rested on the seventh day in the crypt rather than use major magic to be resurrected just as the creator rested on the seventh day after six whole days of important magic in creating the world. He spent a whole extra day dead. Rather more reinforcing the law than changing it:
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Where is that changed?
It is your text, not mine.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:01 am
by MajGenl.Meade
OK well I give you credit and you insult back. Pity but it's predicted (in those same texts). 1Peter 4:12-19 for example.
Regarding Matt 10, I should have also cited Mar 7:19: οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
βρωματα (G1033 bromah in Strong's) is 'meat' and the sentence reads in various ways at the end "thus he declared all meats clean" and is present in the oldest texts.
For further evidence, going to Young's Literal:
1Ti 4:1 And the Spirit expressly speaketh, that in latter times shall certain fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 in hypocrisy speaking lies, being seared in their own conscience,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry--to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those believing and acknowledging the truth,
1Ti 4:4 because every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, with thanksgiving being received,
1Ti 4:5 for it is sanctified through the word of God and intercession.
Emphasis added of course
You repeated and expounded on the same point regarding Acts 10:9-16 which I shorthanded as: "No doubt there was also an allegorical meaning to Peter's vision - which he spotted, clever man". Mind you, he didn't stick to it, did he?
You repeated and expounded on the same point regarding 1Cor 10:25-27 which I said "addresses the issue of whether or not believers are defiled by what they eat in the context of a discussion of idol worship".
However, I note your method for handling both these passages: "the first is allegorical and therefore cannot be literal - er... but the second is literal and therefore cannot be allegorical". (For clarity - I am not quoting you but making my own reply conversationally).
Regarding the Sabbath, where does God declare that "the Sabbath" must be a Saturday? Was Day one of creation a Sunday, thus making day 7 a Saturday perforce? There's no doubt that the Hebrew people chose to celebrate the weekly sabbath on what we call Saturday but what has that to do with it?
The early Christian church chose to worship God on a Sunday because that was the day upon which Christ rose - the Lord's Day. To say that Jesus hung out in the grave on a Saturday because he didn't want to violate the Sabbath is utterly wrong. He said himself that he would rise on the third day - reflecting that Jonah was delivered on the third day. (Let's not argue the day/night issue to death but.... since he was crucified on a Friday (in the grave on day 1) Sunday would be the third day he was in the grave. Unless you contend in fact that he rose after sunset on Saturday, being a good Jewish lad? Even that doesn't work: the sabbath law permitted "work" if it were to save life (although Jesus had to remind them of it) and He was engaged in the greatest life saving work of all - he wasn't restricted from resurrection on a Saturday.
Regarding the entire law, including the subjects you have raised, Acts 15:28-29 quotes the instructions issued by the good Jewish Christians of Jerusalem to the gentile church: "It has pleased the Holy Spirit that you should not have a heavy load to carry, and we agree. You need to do only these things: Stay away from any food that has been offered to idols, eating any animals that have been strangled, and blood, and any kind of sexual sin. If you stay away from these things, you will do well. Good-bye." (NCV).
Well the first one is easy these days. I don't know what animals are strangled but I don't think I eat any(?). I should be a bit worried about eating liver I suppose (if obeying the ritual law had not been obviated). Sexual sin (moral law) is a bit of a mental problem which Jesus says ain't no different to a physical one.
Mind you, I kind of like your idea - I could take Saturday off from any form of work, devoting it to reading the Bible etc. and then worship on Sunday anyway. Trouble is my wife wouldn't go for the no-work on a Saturday thing.
Yeah I think I'm OK on reading and understanding, although less than perfect on the second.
Thanks for the debate about Biblical matters - I find it interesting
Meade
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:26 am
by Lord Jim
LOL !
Rube is attempting to discuss
The Bible with Meade...
That would be like me trying to hold up my own in a discussion about the best possible pick-up truck available with Jarl...
Lost, useless, and
hopelessly out- classed...

Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:24 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Oh now LJ, rubato's actually raised good points in a literalist sense and if I were Jewish I'd probably answer differently.
Re: Bishop plans to exorcise Illinois. (Wish us luck!)
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:22 pm
by Crackpot
This isn't my work it is by a friend of mine
hopefully the formatting issues won't be to much of s problem
"Crucified on a Wednesday"
The whole thing revolves around reconciling Mark 16:1 with Luke 23:56.
The following looks at all four gospels for their statements about the timing of events surrounding the Sabbaths. Also of significance to this discussion, whether the message board folks know it or not, is the timing of Preparation Day relative to Passover. A section covering this follows.
The double Sabbath view of Holy week both better deals with the texts below as well as providing a true three days and three nights in the tomb; i.e., sundown Wednesday thru sundown Saturday with the resurrection occurring possibly as early as right after sundown Saturday, which would then be the first day of the week by Jewish reckoning.
Matthew 12:40, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Dealing with the special Sabbath and weekly Sabbath issue in the four gospels:
Mark 15:42-16:3
42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body. 44Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. 45When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph. 46So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body, wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock. Then he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.
1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"
Observations:
• Jesus dies on “Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath)”
• When the Sabbath was over, the women bought spices.
• “Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise” may imply that they already had the spices when they set out to the tomb. If so, they did not buy the spices that day; i.e., Sunday morning, they must have had them already. Thus, they did not buy the spices when the weekly Sabbath was over, but after the special Sabbath was over. This produces the chronology in the opening paragraph.
Matthew 27:57-28:2
57As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away. 61Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb.
The Guard at the Tomb
62The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63"Sir," they said, "we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise again.' 64So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first."
65"Take a guard," Pilate answered. "Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how." 66So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Observations:
• “6The next day, the one after Preparation Day” – That is, the day after Jesus died, again confirming Jesus died on Preparation Day.
• “1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.” This corroborates Marks account, which leads us to conclude the women did not buy the spices on Sunday.
Luke 23:50-24:3
50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Observations:
• Once again it is confirmed that Jesus died on Preparation Day, which was followed by a Sabbath
• The women follow the men burying Jesus to see where the grave is then return home. This parallels statements in Matthew 27:61 and Mark 15:47.
• Of note is that the women “went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.” after seeing where Jesus was buried. Luke says they prepare spices then rested on the Sabbath and Mark says they bought the spices after the Sabbath. Thus, there were two Sabbaths at least one intervening day on which the women acquired the spices.
• Once again it is reported that, “1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb”. Thus, once again corroborating the view that they probably did not buy the spices Sunday morning; that is, they did not buy the spices after the weekly Sabbath, but rather after the special Sabbath.
John 19:31-20:1
31Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken," 37and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."[c]
The Burial of Jesus
38Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. 39He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.[d] 40Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Observations:
• John confirms in the plain text that it is indeed a special Sabbath that is following the Preparation Day; “ 31Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath.”
• “1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb” This makes it nearly impossible to argue the spices were purchased and prepared Sunday morning.
Pegging Preparation Day:
Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which run back to back, are described in Exodus 12:1-30. Leviticus 23:4-8, Numbers 28:16-25, and Deuteronomy 16:1-8 recap in brief. Note; Abib is the Canaanite and Nisan the Mesopotamian name for the same month. The condensed gist seems to be as follows…
• Nisan 14: slaughter and roast lamb (12:6)
• Nisan 14/15: eat meal (12:8 – “That same night” i.e., after sundown; i.e., the next day)
• Nisan 15: following morning and day is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and a Special Sabbath “sacred assembly… do no work” (12:16) Note: 12:16 – “except to prepare” – hence, Preparation Day.
• Nisan 16 – day 2, Nisan 17 – day 3, Nisan 18 – day 4, Nisan 19 – day 5, Nisan 20 – day 6.
• Nisan 21: seventh and final day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and a Special Sabbath (12:16)
• That unleavened bread is to be eaten for all 8 days of the two combined holy days and that these dates span Nisan 14 through Nisan 21 is explicitly confirmed in 12:18
If you are paying close attention, you noticed something askew. “Preparation Day” should be the same day as the Special Sabbath, that is, Nisan 15. However, the gospel writers agree that Jesus died on Preparation Day, which was the day before the Sabbath. (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, and John 19:31). What gives?
What gives is 1,500 years in which practices changed. By the first century, and I do not know how long prior, an extra day was inserted into the festivals. I can only repeat things I have read and encountered previously, so I cannot cite sources for this. Read the Talmud yourself if you wish! This is how I think it goes…
The practice evolved into slaughtering and roasting the lamb on Nisan 14 and eating it that evening/night; that is the transition from Nisan 14 to 15: all fine and good so far. However, the following day, Nisan 15, still called “Preparation Day”, was now used to prepare for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was kicked off the following day, Nisan 16, with the special Sabbath. Said another way, an extra day was taken between Passover and the Sabbath kicking off the Feast of Unleavened Bread that was used to “prepare” for the seven day feast, by eliminating all yeast from the home, and other ritualistic purification practices.
Thus, putting all this together yields the following…
Tuesday, Nisan 14 – Jesus and the apostles gather in the upper room.
Tuesday night, Nisan 14/15 – Jesus celebrates the Lord’s Supper/Passover and then withdraws to Gethsemane.
Wednesday early morning, Nisan 15 – Jesus arrested. (Preparation Day – both Biblically and by popular practice)
Wednesday morning, Nisan 15 – Jesus tried and crucified. (Preparation Day – both Biblically and by popular practice)
Wednesday afternoon, Nisan 15 – Jesus dies and is buried. (Preparation Day – both Biblically and by popular practice)
Wednesday evening – Thursday evening, Nisan 16 – Special Sabbath. (Not Biblically, but by popular practice)
Friday, Nisan 17 – the women buy and prepare the spices.
Friday evening, Nisan 17 – the weekly Sabbath begins.
Saturday evening, Nisan 18/19 – earliest possible time of Resurrection, as “three days and three nights” have now past.
Sunday morning, Nisan 19 – women discover empty tomb.
Now that all this has been said, I have had no luck locating a Nisan 14 on a Tuesday in the late 20s to early 30s AD. This should be possible as calendar conversion programs exist online. See if you can figure it out!