Satan never sent ravenous bears to tear cheeky kids limb from limb - That was Jahweh - Satan never nuked a city for the wildness of its parties - Yaweh again - Satan never commanded the massacre of women and children - Three guesses who that was - So Christians - could it be you've been following the wrong side all along?
Actually, the devil gave humans critical thinking, which God didn't want. He wanted us to not eat from the tree of knowledge of whateverthehell so we could basically be thought-slaves for eternity, but the devil did us a favor and turned the tables there with a single conversation.
Also, the devil killed a grand total of 10 people in the bible, while god killed somewhere around 2.3 million.
He understands human nature, but doesn't judge you for being human.
He accepts god's unwanted children unconditionally.
And still, he's the dickhead. Why? Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's our silent guardian. A watchful protector.
A dark knight." -Martin Ristov
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:57 pm
by Lord Jim
He understands human nature, but doesn't judge you for being human.
" I'm here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began! I've nurtured every sensation man has been inspired to have! I cared about what he wanted and I never judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him, in spite of all his imperfections! I'm a fan of man!"
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:56 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Tee hee Gob. It was of course the Tempter (the Accuser) who led Eve and then Adam to acquire "critical thinking", the facility that enabled their child Cain to commit the first murder through being a little "over critical" of his own brother.
Until the Devil intervened, the "thought slaves" were living in a paradise of vegetarianism, healthy exercise, self-determination and freedom from all rules except one (don't eat from one tree but enjoy all the others), mutual respect, protection, kindliness, PETA approved relationships with animals, companionship with the Creator and nekkid! Even the one rule was left to them to obey or to not obey. Their choice. No coercion.
The snake introduced shame, murder, lying, blame-shifting, the internet, porn, child abuse, cricket and the list goes on. How? By giving humans the desire to do all those lovely things. To which talents the devil added the willful misinterpretation of God's word, plan and actions - including the ability to blame God for what humans do. Remember, Adam was the first to do that - "I only messed up because of this woman you gave me".
Yep - thanks a lot Satan for turning the free will God gave us into slavery to you and to sin
And a Happy New Year
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:53 pm
by Joe Guy
Has anyone here ever taken Deviled Eggs to a church function?
It's not fun I must say...
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:53 pm
by Crackpot
That's what was missing this year! no deviled eggs! I got to yell at my mom.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:03 pm
by Crackpot
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:15 pm
by Lord Jim
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:41 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Crackpot wrote:
Everyone gets pissed off once in a while.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:32 pm
by rubato
Satan really has gotten a bad rap.
First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault.
Well it can't be anyone else's. It is like a stage magician blaming the audience for the fact that he deceived them.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:39 pm
by Crackpot
Now that's the type of response I'd expect from someone who would constantly deny taking responsibility for their own actions.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:28 pm
by rubato
Crackpot wrote:Now that's the type of response I'd expect from someone who would constantly deny taking responsibility for their own actions.
Want another try at that sentence? Try leaving the word "taking" out and see if its closer to what you want to say. Alright? As you wrote it it says that I am taking responsibility but denying that I am doing so. Or how about "consistently refuse to take responsibility", that would be much better. "constantly" is a really bad choice as well because it suggests that it is happening all of the time while "consistently" says that it happens in all cases.
And it isn't my myth. I don't have to justify it. But as the myth is written God is responsible for what he knows will be the certain outcome of his actions (per the myth god knows exactly what will happen) just as I am responsible for the foreseeable outcomes of my actions.
And of course God created Lucifer knowing he would cause war in heaven and take 1/3 of the angels with him into evil so there's that too.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:50 pm
by Crackpot
I suppose that's all my fault because I knew you'd respond that way.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:33 am
by MajGenl.Meade
rubato wrote:Satan really has gotten a bad rap. First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault. Well it can't be anyone else's. It is like a stage magician blaming the audience for the fact that he deceived them.
yrs,
rubato
The highlighted portion is 100% incorrect. Try Lamentations 3:37-40
Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it?
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?
Why should a living man complain, a man, about the punishment of his sins?
Let us test and examine our ways, and return to the LORD!
Vs. 38 is also rendered (literal): From the mouth of the Most High Go not forth the evils and the good No punctuation of course.
God acknowledges and man understands that He is the Creator of all things. I've always had a fondness for the notion that in order to create anything at all (that is, anything of true meaning and significance), the Creator must create all things. That includes choice. (I'm not going to argue it but simply state that foreknowledge of a choice does not make it less of a choice). God must create opposites in order that the creature may freely choose.
So whatever one's view of the "why" God did it, it is factually incorrect to say that God "pretends" he didn't do it.
Meade
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:15 pm
by Econoline
But...rubato does pretend he didn't do it, whenever he does it.
And of course whatever Adam and Eve and their descendants did wrong was/is God's fault:
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:40 pm
by rubato
rubato wrote:"...
And of course God created Lucifer knowing he would cause war in heaven and take 1/3 of the angels with him into evil so there's that too.
yrs,
rubato
Lucifer was screwed from the beginning. God was lying around and finally got on to the fact that Superman without Kryptonite was a really boring story. Not even worth telling let alone lording it over the whole universe. So he said "how can I make it LOOK like there is a conflict which I might actually lose without there ever being any real risk of it? He cooks up Lucifer. Sets the poor bastard up with a bit too much ego knowing that he rigged the game so only 1/3 of the angels will go for it and knowing that won't be enough to tip the balance.
Even the Zoroastrians have a better sense of justice than that! (and a firmer grip on the logic of storytelling) In their mythology Angra Mainyu actually has a shot at beating Ahura Mazda.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:50 pm
by Joe Guy
And this all happened right there on highway 61.....
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:47 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault.
Knowing something would happen does not equate to "causing" that happening.
My knowing the Jets would suck this year in no way means I caused them to suck. That is, it was not my fault they sucked.n
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:53 pm
by Crackpot
Hey! I rather like the knowledge that I control rubato since I knew how he'd respond to my post.
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:55 pm
by rubato
oldr_n_wsr wrote:
First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault.
Knowing something would happen does not equate to "causing" that happening.
My knowing the Jets would suck this year in no way means I caused them to suck. That is, it was not my fault they sucked.n
First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault.
But causing something knowing what the outcome would be does equate.
Try to read? Just a little.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Satan, good guy
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:59 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
rubato wrote:
Satan really has gotten a bad rap. First God creates Adam and Eve KNOWING exactly what they're going to do and then pretends its not his fault. Well it can't be anyone else's. It is like a stage magician blaming the audience for the fact that he deceived them.
yrs,
rubato
MGM (that's me) wrote: The highlighted portion is 100% incorrect. Try Lamentations 3:37-40.... blah blah blah... So whatever one's view of the "why" God did it, it is factually incorrect to say that God "pretends" he didn't do it
How about reading and responding to your factual inaccuracy? You've managed to both ignore the error and repeat it - no insult is intended in my pointing this out (again).
