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Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:57 am
by Gob
Senior clerics taking part in a review of Catholic teachings on the family have called on the Church to adopt a more positive stance on homosexuality.
A preliminary report written by bishops during a Vatican synod said homosexuals had "gifts and qualities to offer".
The report does not challenge the Church's long-held opposition to same-sex marriage, but some gay rights groups hailed it as a breakthrough.
Conservative groups rejected the report, one labelling it a "betrayal".
More than 200 bishops have been taking part in the synod since 5 October. It was convened by Pope Francis to debate abortion, contraception, homosexuality and divorce.
Monday's report, issued half-way through the two-week meeting, said: "Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community.
"Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?"
The document adds: "Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions, it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners."
Human Rights Campaign, a leading US gay rights organisation, said the document set a "dramatic new tone".
The London-based Catholic gay rights groups Quest called parts of it a "breakthrough".
However Voice Of The Family, a conservative Roman Catholic organisation, rejected the interim report as a "betrayal".
The group's co-founder John Smeaton called it "one of the worst official documents drafted in Church history".
Last year, a survey launched by Pope Francis suggested that the majority of Catholics rejected Church teaching on issues such as sex and contraception.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:41 pm
by rubato
You're thinking that mere commercial prospects are going to change Christianity from religion based on exclusion and the killing of outsiders (Jews, Nonconformists, Pagans Homosexuals, people who don't accept the three-in-one thing &c) to a welcoming syncretic religion like Buddhism?
I think you are forgetting that the main attraction of exclusive monotheism is precisely the ability to whup on some outsider group you can exclude and oppress. A couple more dollars in the plate is not going to make up for a loss like that.
You're thinking you can convert pickup truck buyers to riding bicycles; not much you can't. You can get them on a bicycle and get them to ride it around but that truck is going to be there for them.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:43 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
You are such a bigot.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:28 pm
by Lord Jim
MajGenl.Meade wrote:You are such a bigot.
You forgot ignoramus...
Though of course one could argue that in order to be a bigot one must be an ignoramus, so perhaps that's implied...
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:43 pm
by Gob
"Ignoranus", surely?
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:10 am
by Lord Jim
Yeah, that too...
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:02 am
by wesw
nevermind....
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:24 am
by dgs49
Being homosexual is morally neutral.
Being a sinner is pretty much universal.
Publicly declaring one's intention to live an immoral life is incompatible with any organization that values virtue. E.g., marrying someone of the same gender.
Should one be surprised if the local school district shuns an applicant wearing a N. A. M. B. L. A. Pendant?
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:08 am
by Gob
Hey Dave, good to see you!
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:27 pm
by Big RR
Come on Dave, that's like saying physicians should not reach out to treat sick people. Don't religions exist to minister to people and not to marginalize them?
The report is quoted as saying:
: "Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community.
"Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?"
"Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions, it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners."
Why not invite the "unrepentant sinners" (if that's what you believe they are) in and show them that you're willing to welcome them without condemning them for their beliefs. I think that's what jesus would have done.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:45 pm
by wesw
apparently rube needs to read the new testament....
...he seems to be confused about what it says. I know I was until I read it.
it took me awhile to be able to comment sensibly on this one, luckily RR was here to do it.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:59 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Oh be fair wesw... I've just finished a good Christian weekend persecuting homosexuals, killed a couple of moslems, tortured a few non-Trinitarians, let a couple of RCs off with a stern warning. Don't pick on rube for goodness' sake.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:32 am
by Crackpot
Meade you know being RC is a sin punishable by death! How far you have fallen.
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:53 am
by Lord Jim
Crackpot wrote:Meade you know being RC is a sin punishable by death! How far you have fallen.
Au contraire...
That's how we Roman Catholics deal with heretics like Meade...
Re: Missing a good market, losing money
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:57 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Whore... Beast of Babylon etc. Whose round is it?