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Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:32 am
by Gob
The shit who did the Sydney siege was described as a "lone wolf" too.
A driver shouting the Islamic phrase "God is great" in Arabic has run down pedestrians in Dijon, France, injuring 11, two seriously, French media say.
He was arrested after targeting pedestrians in five different parts of the city in the space of half an hour.
He is said to be "apparently imbalanced" and to have spent time in a psychiatric hospital.
French police shot dead a man on Saturday after he attacked them with a knife, also shouting "God is great".
The lives of the two people seriously injured in Dijon are not said to be in danger.
Witnesses told police the driver, aged around 40, had also said he was "acting for the children of Palestine", an unnamed source close to the investigation told AFP news agency.
A spokesman for the interior ministry told French TV he believed the attacker had been acting alone.
The driver has been known to police for minor incidents dating back 20 years, he added.
The French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, tweeted (in French) to express his "solidarity" with the victims.
In Saturday's incident, a man injured three police officers in the city of Tours before being shot dead.
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told French TV the man had been "very unstable".
Anti-terrorism investigators have opened an inquiry into the attack.
France has the largest number of Muslims in western Europe - estimated at between five and six million.
There have been a number of "lone wolf" attacks by Islamists in recent years
Last year, a convert to Islam stabbed a soldier in Paris
The main suspect in the murder of four people at a Belgian museum this year is a French-born man who spent a year fighting in Syria
In 2012, Mohammed Merah shot dead seven people in the city of Toulouse before being killed himself in a police siege
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:31 pm
by rubato
Are these really "Islam's long wolves" or are they just that fraction of the population which is always present and filled with anomie merely looking for an external cause to give a name and focus to his (usually it is a he) free-floating hatred.
The Unibomber was more driven by personal demons than any environmental cause and was Tomothy McVeigh really a right-wing nut case or just a nutcase who latched onto the right-wing to explain his own diseased emotional and mental state.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:35 pm
by Gob
A reasonable response.
The trouble is they seem to be becoming more frequent, perhaps "Islam" is the flavour of the month for lunatics.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:39 pm
by Big RR
that wouldn't surprise me.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:50 pm
by Gob
Another?
A van has been driven at shoppers at a French Christmas market in the city of Nantes and the driver is reported to have stabbed himself, officials say.
Ten people are reported to have been injured, five seriously.
The exact circumstances remain unclear, but the incident comes only a day after pedestrians were run down in Dijon.
The driver of that vehicle screamed "God is great" in Arabic. On Saturday, a man using the same phrase was shot dead by police after attacking them.
Earlier on Monday, French President Francois Hollande called for vigilance after Saturday and Sunday's attacks, and urged the public not to panic.
The series of attacks have left France baffled, the BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris reports.
None of the three men involved in the attacks has so far been found to have any radical religious links, but there is real anxiety here about the number of French citizens drawn to violent Islamist groups, and the risk they could pose at home, our correspondent adds.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:57 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Najis-eating suicide monkeys?
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:25 pm
by Lord Jim
rubato wrote:Are these really "Islam's long wolves" or are they just that fraction of the population which is always present and filled with anomie merely looking for an external cause to give a name and focus to his (usually it is a he) free-floating hatred.
The Unibomber was more driven by personal demons than any environmental cause and was Tomothy McVeigh really a right-wing nut case or just a nutcase who latched onto the right-wing to explain his own diseased emotional and mental state.
yrs,
rubato
That actually makes sense...
Well done rube...
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:05 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Yes, a trenchant analysis. Rings true.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:03 am
by rubato
Gob wrote:A reasonable response.
The trouble is they seem to be becoming more frequent, perhaps "Islam" is the flavour of the month for lunatics.
Really? I don't see any evidence that they are more frequent than ever.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:33 am
by Gob
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:35 am
by Gob
or if we are just considering attacks in the West;
Under Obama (2008 to 2016):
USA - Little Rock 2009.
Italy - Milan 2009.
USA - Fort Hood 2009.
USA - Richard T. Antoun 2009.
USA - Flight 253 2009.
Denmark - Kurt Westergaard 2010.
USA - Times Square 2010.
UK - Stephen Timms 2010.
Sweden - Lars Vilks 2010.
Sweden - Malmo synagogue 2010.
Denmark - Copenhagen hotel 2010.
Sweden - Issa Issa 2010.
USA - military shootings 2010.
USA/UK - cargo planes 2010.
Sweden - Stockholm 2010.
Italy - Nello Rega 2011.
UK - Gary Smith 2011.
Germany - Frankfurt 2011.
Australia - Sydney 2011.
Brazil - school shooting 2011.
Norway - apostates 2011.
Canada - Paris Dipersico 2011.
USA - Waltham murders 2011.
USA - Alaa Alsaegh 2011.
Germany - J. Gehirn 2011.
France - Charlie Hebdo 2011.
Denmark - Hare Krishna temple 2011.
Germany - Ferhad Ahma 2011.
South Africa - Al-Shabaab terror 2011-12.
USA - Gelareh Bagherzadeh 2012.
Norway - Christian converts 2012.
Australia - Alevi centre 2012.
France - Toulouse massacre 2012.
Bulgaria - Burgas bombing 2012.
France - Paris 2012.
Cyprus - British soldier 2012.
USA - Coty Beavers 2012.
Denmark - Lars Hedegaard 2013.
USA - Boston Marathon 2013.
France - Roussillon 2013.
UK - Woolwich soldier 2013.
France - Paris soldier 2013.
UK - prison officer 2013.
USA - Gay nightclub fire 2013.
Belgium - Jewish Museum 2014.
USA - Ali Muhammad Brown 2014.
Australia - Melbourne 2014.
USA - Oklahoma beheading 2014.
Canada - St-Jean-sur-Richelieu 2014.
Canada - Ottawa Parliament attack 2014.
USA - New York axe attack 2014.
Australia - Sydney cafe 2014.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:00 am
by Lord Jim
rubato wrote:Gob wrote:A reasonable response.
The trouble is they seem to be becoming more frequent, perhaps "Islam" is the flavour of the month for lunatics.
Really? I don't see any evidence that they are more frequent than ever.
yrs,
rubato
Aw gee rube, you
finally managed to get one right, but you
still found a way to piss all over yourself...
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:17 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
rubato's contention is that lone wolf attacks in general are the work of lunatics who attach their insanity to an external cause (not restricted to Islamic ones). He maintained such actions are present
throughout history. It seems several of us agreed with that.
It is therefore reasonable to ask whether there are more such attacks,nominally about Islam or not, since (say) A.D. 2000 than there have been since (say) A.D. 200 for example.
Yes, there certainly appears to be a growing frequency of such attacks associated with Islamic extremism. But are there actually more "lone wolf" attacks than ever or have some loonies simply found a new focus to 'justify' their acts, as Gob suggested?
BTW I like the way that Gob tried to insinuate Australia into "the West" when we all know it's a country of the Far East.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:54 pm
by Lord Jim
It makes perfect sense, that in the current world, a high percentage of these rage addicted headcases would be lassoed in by the Islamo Facists...
It's no secret that these organizations have a robust social media "outreach program" for just these kinds of folks...
It's a major component of their asymmetrical war strategy against The West...
Most of these people stew and smolder with resentments for years; they feel isolated and mistreated by the larger society. The Islamo Facists play exactly to this type. They give these folks a sense of belonging to a group with a "higher" purpose, and they validate and reinforce their rage impulses. Since their targets are the very societies that these people already feel such anger and resentment towards, it's a perfect fit. (Let's face it, 72 virgins are not going to be as appealing to a person with a satisfying personal life)
Most of these people also suffer from delusions of grandeur, believing that they've not been recognized for how great and important they imagine themselves to be, and these organizations play right into that too...They give them a chance to do something "important" and "make a name for themselves"...
The Islamo Fascists are certainly not alone in doing this, (many cults, gangs and other groups that exist at the margins of society employ similar strategies) but on an international level, they are currently the best organized and most effective. And their sophisticated use of modern communication mediums is a huge part of what makes them so effective.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:16 am
by Econoline
MajGenl.Meade wrote:It is therefore reasonable to ask whether there are more such attacks,nominally about Islam or not, since (say) A.D. 2000 than there have been since (say) A.D. 200 for example.
Yes, there certainly appears to be a growing frequency of such attacks associated with Islamic extremism.
In Islam's defense, I should point out that there were NO attacks associated with Islamic extremism between the years 200 and 622...
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:04 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Another factor at play is the instantaneos and over saturations of news coverage of these events. Years ago you had the 6 and 11oclock news and the next days paper. There would be about 1 minute of coverage on the nightly news and mabe a column or two in the paper.
Now you 18,000 cable channels and talking heads analyzing and reanalyzing and presenting every angle and emphesizing whatever angle they are for/against in the situation.
Don't like the opinion one channel is presenting, flip to another channel and the opposite opinion is there for one to get fuel for their rage.
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:17 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
I did wonder if anyone would pick up on that
Econoline wrote:MajGenl.Meade wrote:It is therefore reasonable to ask whether there are more such attacks,nominally about Islam or not, since (say) A.D. 2000 than there have been since (say) A.D. 200 for example.
Yes, there certainly appears to be a growing frequency of such attacks associated with Islamic extremism.
In Islam's defense, I should point out that there were NO attacks associated with Islamic extremism between the years 200 and 622...
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:57 pm
by rubato
I would expect that nearly every one present knows the approximate date of the founding of Islam.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:50 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Well done! Glad to see the little vacation hasn't dulled... weren't you saying something about pointless posts over in Gob's ambulance thread? Glad you're back!
Re: Islam's lone wolves
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:34 am
by rubato
"Wondering if any one would pick up on" the fact that Islam didn't exist before then was pointless. As the evidence now shows.
yrs,
rubato