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This radical group of Muslims is not pleased with the Mayor of Irving, Texas after she put the end to America’s first “Sharia Court.” Mayor Beth Van Duyne has accused mosque leaders of creating separate laws for Muslims, which is why the city voted to stop these supposedly “voluntary” tribunals from operating.

In a very close 5-4 vote, the city of Irving ruled to back the Texas state bill banning foreign law from the state. The bill doesn’t mention Sharia or any religion, but it’s a huge defeat for Sharia supporters, as such courts are in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

All four of the “voluntary” court’s lawyers were unlicensed in the state of Texas, a third degree felony. Mayor Beth Van Duyne received several phone calls on the matter. It seems that the Islamic Tribunal not only was unlicensed, but they failed to notify the city of their illegal court being operated in city limits. She promised to get to the bottom of it, and she did.

By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution. The Islamic Tribunal also openly declared that they hope [this] will “set a precedence that will be emulated and duplicated throughout the country.”



And while Muslims filled the city council hearing to voice their opposition, the Mayor shot back:

“This bill does not reference Shariah, Islam or even religion. It has nothing to do with preventing any tribunal,” Van Duyne told the crowd. “Why anyone would feel this is hatred or bigotry is absolutely beyond me.”

Good for Mayor Van Duyne! The legal system from the Islamic faith is incompatible with civilized Western cultures. To have anyone in America abiding by Sharia law is a dangerous precedent, which is why the city moved swiftly to outlaw the practice. No one is above the law!

Our nation cannot be so overly sensitive in defending other cultures that we stop protecting our own.

Gob wrote:

This radical group of Muslims is not pleased with the Mayor of Irving, Texas after she put the end to America’s first “Sharia Court.” Mayor Beth Van Duyne has accused mosque leaders of creating separate laws for Muslims, which is why the city voted to stop these supposedly “voluntary” tribunals from operating.

In a very close 5-4 vote, the city of Irving ruled to back the Texas state bill banning foreign law from the state. The bill doesn’t mention Sharia or any religion, but it’s a huge defeat for Sharia supporters, as such courts are in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

All four of the “voluntary” court’s lawyers were unlicensed in the state of Texas, a third degree felony. Mayor Beth Van Duyne received several phone calls on the matter. It seems that the Islamic Tribunal not only was unlicensed, but they failed to notify the city of their illegal court being operated in city limits. She promised to get to the bottom of it, and she did.

By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution. The Islamic Tribunal also openly declared that they hope [this] will “set a precedence that will be emulated and duplicated throughout the country.”
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"... if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia God's law, “we follow Sharia God's law.” ... "

To have anyone in America abiding by Sharia law is a dangerous precedent

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Well aside from the somewhat judgmental and (dare I say) bigotty-sounding language,

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Ignorance and stupidity are one thing . This: "abide by Biblical -- and specifically, Christian -- law. I would imagine s/he thinks that s/he is following "God's law" every day in her/his life" is the example of bigotry

On International Women's Day, in March, there was a huge demonstration in London, backed by feminists, supporters of gay rights and others – including a substantial number of Muslims – who marched under a banner saying: "No sharia and faith-based laws – one law for all." They claimed that the supposedly voluntary nature of the courts is a sham, because many Muslim women are pressured into accepting their rulings, and that sharia courts dispense cheap injustice. Denis MacEoin, author of the Civitas report, argues: "Women are not equal in sharia law, and sharia contains no specific commitment to the best interests of the child that is fundamental to family law in the UK. Under sharia, a male child belongs to the father after the age of seven, regardless of circumstances." The Muslim Council of Britain says that this talk is "scaremongering".

sharia contains no specific commitment to the best interests of the child that is fundamental to family law in the UK

Sue U wrote:Ecclesiastical courts simply do not have the power or the machinery to enforce any of their "orders. . . . What is the big deal about letting people live by their own religion's rules if they want to?

MajGenl.Meade wrote:

Sue U wrote:Ecclesiastical courts simply do not have the power or the machinery to enforce any of their "orders. . . . What is the big deal about letting people live by their own religion's rules if they want to?

Sue U wrote:Ecclesiastical courts simply do not have the power or the machinery to enforce any of their "orders"; to the extent there is voluntary agreement of the parties to submit to an alternative dispute resolution forum, enforcement depends on contract principles in a secular civil court.

Lord Jim wrote:Gen'l, where was that picture taken?

The German government says it is going to crack down on volunteer patrols known as “Shariah police” recently seen walking outside nightclubs and a city train station asking passersby not to drink alcohol and gamble.

“Sharia law is not tolerated on German soil,” Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere told the German newspaper Bild on Saturday. “Nobody can take it upon themselves to abuse the good name of the German police.”

Justice Minister Heiko Maas said that the initiative to promote Islamic law would not be tolerated and that “the state alone” has the authority to mete out justice, Deutsche Welle reported.

“Ultimately I want to see every single woman in this country covered from head-to-toe; I want to see the hand of the thief cut; I want to see adulterers stoned; I want to see Sharia in Europe, and I want to see it in America as well,” says "Sharia Patrol" member Abu Rumaysah in an eye-opening interview with CBS correspondent Clarissa Ward.

The streets of London are an “alternate reality” at night, says CBS correspondent Clarissa Ward: Western women are abused, men who dare to drink alcohol or gamble are harassed by Sharia patrols.

“You may not dress like that in Muslim area!” the Sharia patrols shout, calling a woman in a short skirt “a prostitute.”

“You’re dirty, mate! You’re gay, mate! You need to get out of here,” the patrols shout at another man they call a “fag” and assume is gay.

When Ward interviews Rumaysah, one has a glimpse into the mindset of those enforcing Sharia, and it is frightening:

“The only thing I would say is that in America and in the United Kingdom, we have a system: democracy,” begins Ward.

“A backwards one,” says Rumaysah.

“But it's a system...” she continues.

“A barbaric one,” he interrupts.

“...that allows the people to choose what they want and allows people freedom,” Ward says.

“So why can't I choose Sharia?” asks Rumaysah. “When in Rome, overthrow Caesar and commit Sharia.”

“In your home, you can do whatever you want,” says Ward patiently.

“But what about in the public?” replies Rumaysah angrily. “Why can't I tell you to cover up? Am I free to say that?”

“Because it would be outrageous,” replies Ward. “Of course, you're not...”

“So where's my freedom? Where's my freedom?!” he shouts back petulantly.

“You can say it to me, but you...”

“Okay. So cover up. Wear the hijab,” replies Rumaysah.

London isn’t the only place in Europe where this is happening – in Belgium, girls in bikinis are attacked, Jewish and Christian symbols vandalized, and in Muslim neighborhoods Sharia is enforced, CBN reports.



And a new Swedish police report identifies 55 “no-go” zones controlled by Islamic extremists, where even police officers need police protection, and postal and fire services cannot enter without it.

“They are de facto Muslim micro-states under Sharia law that reject Western values, society and legal systems,” reports Investors Business Daily. “In these districts non-Muslims are expected to conform to the dictates of fundamentalist Islam or face violent consequences.”

“A pair of policemen in May were in pursuit of a suspect and unwisely entered the no-go zone of the southern city of Landskrona,” reports The Daily Caller. “Their car was rammed and the officers were forced out of the car. They were cornered by a crowd of some 50 hostile thugs and drew their weapons to hold them back and called for immediate backup.”


“Several nearby patrol cars responded to the call and sped towards the scene, only to be ordered to stop half a mile away — just outside the no-go border. The police commander didn’t send the backup units in, fearing escalation and all-out war.
“Swedish police have not seriously tried to contest the zones since the 2013 Stockholm ghetto riots in which hundreds of cars and buildings were burned,” says Investors Business Daily. “The police report that there are now vehicle checkpoints operated by Muslim gangs on the borders of these zones”

"A more precise name for these zones," says Middle Eastern expert Daniel Pipes, "would be Dar al-Islam — the House of Islam or the place where Islam rules."

Gob wrote:"...
And a new Swedish police report identifies 55 “no-go” zones controlled by Islamic extremists, where even police officers need police protection, and postal and fire services cannot enter without it.

“They are de facto Muslim micro-states under Sharia law that reject Western values, society and legal systems,” reports Investors Business Daily. “In these districts non-Muslims are expected to conform to the dictates of fundamentalist Islam or face violent consequences.”