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I fear there is a trust gap.

Again, the issue is prescriptive vs. descriptive. The Old Testament is (partly) a particular historical telling of events involving the establishment, the decline and the downfall of Israel and then Judah. There's lots of violence described because there was a lot of violence (duh).

The Koran, written long afterward, besides being totally fabricated from bits of Judaism and Christianity, prescribes violence as the means by which "the truth" will be imposed upon infidels. That or excessive taxes to avoid being killed.

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Again, the issue is prescriptive vs. descriptive. The Old Testament is (partly) a particular historical telling of events involving the establishment, the decline and the downfall of Israel and then Judah.
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There were lots of interesting things happening all over the world then, the bible missed them.

Don't be a twat. The OT was about the nation of Israel - not the rest of the world. It didn't "miss" them.

Why?

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Don't be a twat. The OT was about the nation of Israel - not the rest of the world. It didn't "miss" them.

Gob wrote:Why?

Why should you stop being a twat?

Gob wrote:Why?

For the same reason that books about Germany are not about baking custards in Patagonia

MajGenl.Meade wrote:"...

The Koran, written long afterward, besides being totally fabricated from bits of Judaism and Christianity, prescribes violence as the means by which "the truth" will be imposed upon infidels. That or excessive taxes to avoid being killed.

Just like Judaism was fabricated from Zoroastrianism and other religions. And the Israelites imposed their faith by the sword on the peoples of Judea, or exterminated them:

"Joshua 6:21-25 says that they killed every living thing in it (the City of Jericho) -- "men, women, young, old, cattle, sheep, donkeys." except for Rahab and her family, which is a good thing because she becomes part of the lineage of David and then Jesus Christ, but then the Israelites burned what was left."


"Nice city you got here, Jerichoans. You wouldn't want something to happen to it, would you?"

Although there is significant archeological evidence that those stories were all made-up.

http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q ... of-jericho


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Our resident atheist chimes in using Scripture yet again.

Will wonders never cease?

... and they did not "impose their faith" by the sword. Not one person was forced to become a Jew nor were they barred from worshiping their baals and poles and what-have-you. Those old-timers were nice about that than Christians and Moslems in later times.

MajGenl.Meade wrote:

Gob wrote:Why?

For the same reason that books about Germany are not about baking custards in Patagonia

So god based the whole "Old testament" in Israel, ignoring the rest of the world, why?

Gob wrote:

MajGenl.Meade wrote:

Gob wrote:Why?

For the same reason that books about Germany are not about baking custards in Patagonia

So god based the whole "Old testament" in Israel, ignoring the rest of the world, why?

You're being a twat again

No I'm not.

This "omnipotent god" ignored 99% of the people he "created" when doing his books, why?

I've said it before, no doubt will say it again, your god is incompetent at best, stupid at worse.

Gob wrote:No I'm not.

This "omnipotent god" ignored 99% of the people he "created" when doing his books, why?

I've said it before, no doubt will say it again, your god is incompetent at best, stupid at worse.

Ah, twat. You're seriously arguing that the books explaining God's relationship to Israel should in fact be books about something else? Fine, if that's what you think. Stupid, but it's a thought

You think that god should have confined his musings to the Israelis? Why was he so concerned about them, why not the Chinese or Greeks? Why in fact did he go about making books in such a small semi literate corner of the world?

Think Geography.

Israel is located near where the continents of Europe, Asia, and Africa intersect.

Gob wrote:You think that god should have confined his musings to the Israelis? Why was he so concerned about them, why not the Chinese or Greeks? Why in fact did he go about making books in such a small semi literate corner of the world?

Our thoughts as to what we think God "should have" done are without relevance. God is concerned about you and over years humans were inspired to write the story of that concern so that you can read it and understand it. It is after all equally for Jew and Gentile, for Hebrew and Greek. (I'm sure you know that anyone other than a Jew is a gentile)

As to people who lived before the OT was written and when it was written (before the NT for that matter), I trust God took care of them as He saw fit by whatever means He saw fit. You don't have to worry about them, so relax!

Fair enough Meade.

It's irrational and somewhat silly, but at least you can justify it to yourself, which is all that matters really.

Gob wrote:You think that god should have confined his musings to the Israelis? Why was he so concerned about them, why not the Chinese or Greeks? Why in fact did he go about making books in such a small semi literate corner of the world?

Hmmm...

Let me think for a moment...

No, the "God can't exist because he doesn't do things the way Strop thinks he should do them" argument doesn't get any more persuasive through repetition...