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Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:47 pm**

A parish priest in Co Kerry has lodged a complaint with the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland over the “ridiculing of the Eucharist” on RTÉ television.

Fr Kevin McNamara, parish priest in Moyvane near Listowel, has written in this weekend’s Moyvane parish newsletter about his “hurt beyond words” at hearing the host described as “haunted bread” by a member of the Rubberbandits comedy duo “on the so-called flagship chat show” of the national broadcaster – the Late Late Show on the Feast of the Epiphany, January 6th.

The outspoken priest, who is a native of Co Clare and was for many years based in Killarney where he was hugely popular, said the phrase he found so offensive was endorsed by interviewer Ryan Tubridy.

“We live in an age where there is great emphasis on the need for clean air, clean water and a healthy environment, but how much attention do we give to fostering a clean soul, heart and mind?,” began the priest’s address in this morning’s newsletter to parishioners, in the large farmland parish.

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Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:16 pm**

And this from the people who bring you the Holy Ghost. Kind of a double standard.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:01 pm**

Big RR wrote:And this from the people who bring you the Holy Ghost. Kind of a double standard.

Ahem. The Holy Spirit. The third part of the Triune God hasn't been referred to as "the Holy Ghost" by anyone over the age of 12 since the early 1950s.

-"BB"-

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:32 pm**

When I went to a catholic funeral a few months back the recited they Nicene Creed and said Holy Ghost, not Holy Spirit. I recall hearing this at a numbe rof other catholic masses I wnet to, but I am unsure what the correct usage is. Perhaps they just kept ghost for the sake of tradition (much as the Latin Mass kept the Kyrie in Greek)?

But even if the general common usage is holy "spirit"--is there a difference between a spirit and a ghost?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:53 pm**

Bicycle Bill wrote:
Big RR wrote:And this from the people who bring you the Holy Ghost. Kind of a double standard.
Ahem. The Holy Spirit. The third part of the Triune God hasn't been referred to as "the Holy Ghost" by anyone over the age of 12 since the early 1950s.

-"BB"-

What balls it must take to make such sweeping statements with such confidence.

Full of shit, though. I wasn't even born until 1970 and I've heard Holy Ghost used by clergy in numerous denominations over 46 years of church attendance.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:59 pm**

So you're saying BB is really rubato?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:52 pm**

I've heard them used interchangeably.

Like Bootsy!

Halleluia!
They call me Casper!
Not the friendly ghost
But the holy ghost! Dig!
And I'm Here
To make ya shout
Glory be to the one
Who knows what the funk's about
Like the ridin' rhythm
Only if you can stand
The elastic music
Of my Rubber Band
I'm gonna hit ya with the one (ughh)
And Glory Be, the Funk's on me, cuz DIG!
This is Casper here, and I'm callin' short distance, baby
I'm gonna hit ya with the one on the fun
Boooooooo...
(We're stretchin out and hangin' loose in a Rubber Band...) ... "

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:55 pm**

Crackpot wrote:So you're saying BB is really rubato?

wha?

Being me is so difficult that only I can do it.

With style

yrs,
rubato

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:53 pm**

I remember it changing sometime during the 1960's from Holy Ghost to Holy Spirit.

I used to worship the holy Spirits:
Jack D.
Johnny W. (all colors)
Georgi
Nikoli
Jim B.
.....

no more,they have been exorcised from me.

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:47 pm**

oldr_n_wsr wrote:I remember it changing sometime during the 1960's from Holy Ghost to Holy Spirit.

Thanks for backing me up on this, old'r.

And BSG — I can only speak from experience with the Roman Catholic faction of Christianity. And we started referring the Holy Spirit rather than the Holy Ghost around the time of Pope John XXIII and the Second Vatican Council of 1962 - 1965 ... although I will grant you that some people may still make reference to "the Holy Ghost". Old, long-ingrained habits tend to die hard.

-"BB"-

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:23 pm**

I remember asking my mom way back then on why they changed from "Ghost" to "Spirit" and she said, "some people are afraid of ghosts".
As good an explanation as any I suppose.
And yes, I too still hear "Holy Ghost" but it is rare.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:22 am**

Praise God from whom all blessings flow
Praise him all creatures here below
Praise him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost

Yeah - you don't often hear that "Ghost" word these days. Except as it's sung after the offering in churches by millions of people. In 2017.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:24 am**

P'zackly!!!!!

I KNEW I heard it all the time when I attended church, and you've confirmed it!

Plus I have most definitely heard pastors use 'Holy Ghost' in Bible discussion and sermons, too. Episcopal, Methodist, Lutheran, Congregational, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc. - what can I say, I was a loose Christian, I got around!

Admittedly, not much time at all in RC churches, because I wanted to take communion and wouldn't disrespect their dogma by doing so as a 'non-believer' in transubstantiation.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:50 am**

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Praise God from whom all blessings flow
Praise him all creatures here below
Praise him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost

Yeah - you don't offer hear that "Ghost" word these days. Except as it's sung after the offering in churches by millions of people. In 2017.

Song is also called "The Doxology", sung to the melody of "Old Hundredth", and has been around for a while. The verse was written in 1674 — yeah, SIXTEEN SEVENTY-FOUR — by a Presbyterian bishop in England.

As far as that goes, I can name a lot of other songs that use archaic terms; for example, Stephen Foster's "Old Kentucky Home" with lyrics that mention 'darkies', or my old high school's "Rouser" which features the word 'welkin' (as in "make the welkin ring with cheering").

-"BB"-

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:20 am**

Miss points much, BB?

The point is that the term is still used in churches across the world. Believers are not usually terrified by the word "ghost" in this connection. It's something to which we are accustomed. LDS are big on the Ghost but then they ain't Christians (as a review of their beliefs reveals).

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:53 pm**

I still find myself saying "Holy Ghost." Of course, I became a heretic in the '50s and haven't spent enough time lately attending church so I have avoided re-indoctrination. Besides, isn't this the very reason they call it "spirituality?"

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:51 pm**

Well, better than the joke about the nervous Priest who, having had a little too much liquid courage before the sermon, referred to the Trinity as "Big Daddy, Junior, and The Spook".

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:35 am**

datsunaholic wrote:Well, better than the joke about the nervous Priest who, having had a little too much liquid courage before the sermon, referred to the Trinity as "Big Daddy, Junior, and The Spook".

The New Priest

The new priest was so nervous at his first mass that he could hardly speak. Before the second week in the pulpit he asked the bishop how he could relax. The bishop said, "Next week, put some vodka in the water pitcher. After a few sips, everything should run smoothly."

The next Sunday, the new priest put the suggestion into practice and was able to talk up a storm and felt just great. Upon returning to the rectory, however, he found a note from the bishop:

1. Next time sip, rather than gulp.
2. There are Ten Commandments, not twelve.
3. There are twelve disciples, not ten.
4. David slew Goliath, he didn't kick the shit out of him.
5. We do not refer to Jesus Christ and his apostles as "J.C. and the boys."
6. Next week there is a taffy-pulling contest at St. Peters, not a peter-pulling contest at St. Taffy's.
7. We do not refer to the cross as "The Big T."
8. We do not refer to the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost as "Big Daddy, Junior, and the Spook."
9. The recommended way of saying grace is not "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub, Yay, God!"
10. And last but not least, it is the "Virgin Mary," not "Mary with the cherry."

-"BB"-

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:16 am**

Bicycle Bill wrote:... 9. The recommended way of saying grace is not "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub, Yay, God!"

This is how my family has been starting Thanksgiving dinner for over 20 years. It's quite endearing and if you witnessed it I'm sure you'd shed a tear.

And then there's the ol' standby "Good food, good meat, good God let's eat."

AMEN

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